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Bob Morrison wrote:
In a previous post Matt Whiting wrote...
I wouldn't seal someone else's work either as most states require that
the work be completed by you or under your direct control. However, it
seems to me that if someone had a design that was completed by an
engineer who is no longer available (let's say deceased) and needed the
design sealed in order to construct it, it would be legitimate to
analyze the design and perform the critical calculations to ensure the
integrity of the design and then seal it. It sounds like you wouldn't
consider this legitimate. Am I understanding you correctly?


Ah! The deceased engineer (DE) scenario! This presents a special case. I
assume you mean the scenario where the DE dies and his seal has expired.
If he dies before his seal has expired then the calcs should be able to be
used "AS IS".

I think I would have a conversation with the State Licensing Board BEFORE
I went very far with this. Just to see what they might allow and how
tightly they would look at the


Yes, I agree it would be wise to check. I'm just trying to explore what
other engineers consider to be reasonable interpretations of the
"perform or direct" language in the laws.

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"Matt Whiting" wrote
I wouldn't seal someone else's work either as most states require that the
work be completed by you or under your direct control.


What does *direct control* mean?

I used to work at a place that had a base office and 2 satellite offices.
An architect in the base would seal drawings prepared in a satellite.
If that is direct control, then what isn't?


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"Matt Whiting" wrote
I wouldn't seal someone else's work either as most states require that
the work be completed by you or under your direct control.


What does *direct control* mean?

I used to work at a place that had a base office and 2 satellite offices.
An architect in the base would seal drawings prepared in a satellite.
If that is direct control, then what isn't?


I think its the same as "responsible charge"? That's the term used by DPR
in Florida.

MC


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Don wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote
I wouldn't seal someone else's work either as most states require that the
work be completed by you or under your direct control.


What does *direct control* mean?

I used to work at a place that had a base office and 2 satellite offices.
An architect in the base would seal drawings prepared in a satellite.
If that is direct control, then what isn't?


Technically, in my state, it's not "direct control" if the architect
that seals the drawings is not close enough to the person producing the
drawings to look over their shoulder and say "hey...that's not right.
Do it like this..." Your example wouldn't cut it... except if it
worked like this...the satellite office drafted the plans, the architect
reviewed them, then sent back the required revisions and then reviewed
and approved the final plans (essentially, the satellite office is just
a drafting office). If the satellite office did everything, but the
architect was expected to just seal them, then it wouldn't be kosher.

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"3D Peruna" wrote
Don wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote
I wouldn't seal someone else's work either as most states require that
the work be completed by you or under your direct control.


What does *direct control* mean?

I used to work at a place that had a base office and 2 satellite offices.
An architect in the base would seal drawings prepared in a satellite.
If that is direct control, then what isn't?


Technically, in my state, it's not "direct control" if the architect that
seals the drawings is not close enough to the person producing the
drawings to look over their shoulder and say "hey...that's not right. Do
it like this..." Your example wouldn't cut it... except if it worked
like this...the satellite office drafted the plans, the architect reviewed
them, then sent back the required revisions and then reviewed and approved
the final plans (essentially, the satellite office is just a drafting
office). If the satellite office did everything, but the architect was
expected to just seal them, then it wouldn't be kosher.


Its a muddy line at best.
I suspect anything goes, until something goes wrong or someone gets caught.
That company had 3 architects in the satellite office I worked in and none
of them could seal plans, there were'nt associates.
All 30 of the associate architects worked in the base office 175 miles away.
The 3 architects on site would make redline drawings on trash all day long
that I would hardline on crystal then when the project was complete it was
fedex'd to the base for printing and sealing.
That company did it all, schools, jails, airports, stadiums, hospitals,
interstate highways, bridges, etc.
It was a cool place to work, I did alot of learnin' there.




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Don wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote
I wouldn't seal someone else's work either as most states require that
the work be completed by you or under your direct control.


What does *direct control* mean?

I used to work at a place that had a base office and 2 satellite offices.
An architect in the base would seal drawings prepared in a satellite.
If that is direct control, then what isn't?


Technically, in my state, it's not "direct control" if the architect that
seals the drawings is not close enough to the person producing the
drawings to look over their shoulder and say "hey...that's not right. Do
it like this..." Your example wouldn't cut it... except if it worked
like this...the satellite office drafted the plans, the architect reviewed
them, then sent back the required revisions and then reviewed and approved
the final plans (essentially, the satellite office is just a drafting
office). If the satellite office did everything, but the architect was
expected to just seal them, then it wouldn't be kosher.


That used to be the case here, but now it's "responsible control" and can be
done at a distance if you've taken precautions.


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Don wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote
I wouldn't seal someone else's work either as most states require that the
work be completed by you or under your direct control.


What does *direct control* mean?

I used to work at a place that had a base office and 2 satellite offices.
An architect in the base would seal drawings prepared in a satellite.
If that is direct control, then what isn't?



I'm not sure, but this is how my home state law reads:
http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/04...37/s37.59.html

I should have said direction and control to be precisely correct.

I'm sure there is case law involving interpretations of the meaning of
this, but I am not familiar with it.


Matt
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"Matt Whiting" wrote
I wouldn't seal someone else's work either as most states require that
the work be completed by you or under your direct control.

What does *direct control* mean?

I used to work at a place that had a base office and 2 satellite offices.
An architect in the base would seal drawings prepared in a satellite.
If that is direct control, then what isn't?


I think its the same as "responsible charge"? That's the term used by DPR
in Florida.


Does FL define responsible charge?

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Totally off-topic. Start a new thread please.

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Totally off-topic. Start a new thread please.


So.... how 'bout those Rams?



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3D Peruna wrote:
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Totally off-topic. Start a new thread please.


So.... how 'bout those Rams?


Please don't feed the trolls. :-)
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Totally off-topic. Start a new thread please.


So is your post.
Move along.


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"Michael Bulatovich" wrote in message
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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3D Peruna wrote:
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Totally off-topic. Start a new thread please.

So.... how 'bout those Rams?


Please don't feed the trolls. :-)


What this group needs is a little DISCIPLINE. Matt and blahblah have
thrown their hats in the ring.

How do we decide? Do we decide? Do they duke it out? What does the FAQ
say?


It says FA-Q.


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So is your post.
Move along.

\

Actually, I'm the OP on this thread. So any more relevant feedback on
the topic would be appreciated.

Maturity level in these forums is....less than stellar.


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So is your post.
Move along.

\

Actually, I'm the OP on this thread. So any more relevant feedback on
the topic would be appreciated.

Maturity level in these forums is....less than stellar.


Move along anyway.
Thanks, Mgt.


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oups.com...

So is your post.
Move along.

\

Actually, I'm the OP on this thread. So any more relevant feedback on
the topic would be appreciated.

Maturity level in these forums is....less than stellar.


You get what you pay for. A strange guy walks into a bar, and asks a bunch
of regulars, who are immersed in a really intense game of bar-top coaster
shuffleboard, a really mundane, self-interested question. One thing leads to
another, and the regulars start to talk about whatever comes to mind as the
game wears on. The strange guy complains that they aren't paying enough
attention to his mundane, self-interested question. He insists that they
break up their game and give him free advice. Some of the regulars tell him
to take a hike. He calls them all immature. That's where we are after two
periods of play.

This reminds me of my intern days at a medium sized firm where a bunch of
schoolmates and I used to work. The interns were on one side of a low wall
drawing on mylar or vellum near beautiful window overlooking an urban back
alley. On the other side the techs were drawing on computers who perennially
tried to have the blinds drawn. The techs thought that the interns were
immature because things would get heated sometimes, and have to resort to
rubber-band warfare. (The big fat ones.) American Standard bathroom
templates were cleverly adapted as face protection during the intense mano a
mano parts. After tending to the wounded and burying the dead, we'd get back
to work for the man who paid us all.

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On Mar 30, 11:49 am, 3D Peruna wrote:
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So is your post.
Move along.

\


Actually, I'm the OP on this thread. So any more relevant feedback on
the topic would be appreciated.


Maturity level in these forums is....less than stellar.


It (alt.architecture) is an unmoderated thread...with a bunch of
regulars. Think "Cheers" and you're about right.

Part of the problem is that many of the posters are "drive-bys" They
post and never come back.


Part of the problem is that there are a few
who come along that don't have a clue.

Hey, stop talking about me unless it's behind my back. }:-(




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"Michael Bulatovich" wrote
rubber-band warfare. (The big fat ones.)


Add some paper clips to the mix and you're talking Lee Vo-Tech circa 1972.
Still have some scars.........


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Don wrote:
"Michael Bulatovich" wrote
rubber-band warfare. (The big fat ones.)


Add some paper clips to the mix and you're talking Lee Vo-Tech circa 1972.
Still have some scars.........


We used to have grommet fights at one job. The very first time I got in
on one, we were well into it and entrenched in our positions with lots
of ammo when the owner walked through and got bombarded from seven
different directions at once. There was a stunned silence; the owner
took a puff on his pipe and walked on without a word.

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Pork: It's the other white flag!
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On Mar 30, 8:47 am, "Don" wrote:
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So is your post.
Move along.

\


Actually, I'm the OP on this thread. So any more relevant feedback on
the topic would be appreciated.


Maturity level in these forums is....less than stellar.


You know Don, the OP is right, what we need is
a new group, alt.architecture.complaints (moderated).

Move along anyway.
Thanks, Mgt.


Megatons, holy craps, Don ain't kiddin'
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clifto wrote:

Pork: It's the other white flag!
-- James Lileks


I see another fan...

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clifto wrote:

Pork: It's the other white flag!
-- James Lileks


I see another fan...


Thanks for the link.




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Michael Bulatovich wrote:
"3D Peruna" wrote in message
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clifto wrote:

Pork: It's the other white flag!
-- James Lileks

I see another fan...


Thanks for the link.


I've been injured due to laughing so hard at some of the stuff he's
written up. The Gallery of Regrettable Food is a riot.

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3D Peruna wrote:
Michael Bulatovich wrote:
"3D Peruna" wrote in message
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clifto wrote:

Pork: It's the other white flag!
-- James Lileks
I see another fan...


Thanks for the link.


I've been injured due to laughing so hard at some of the stuff he's
written up. The Gallery of Regrettable Food is a riot.


A small sampling:

Image: These Outdoor Meals Almost Serve Themelves!

"But we’d all run screaming for the safety of indoors if they did,
wouldn’t we? Mom! The double-Karo’d outdoor pancakes have attained
sentience, and are shoving themselve down people's throats! Make them stop!"

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Just some closure from the OP.

I found some guys at work who are licensed contractors. The three of
them came highly recommended from my coworkers. They finished mudding
and sanding my basement in 4 days (about 12 hours total for three
guys). It was great because, since they are from my work, they worked
on my basement at night during the week (6PM-9PM) and on Saturday
AM. Any they charged me $660. Worked out perfect and they did a
fantastic job. Could not be happier.

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