Hello all, I have a small welder that has a three wire (blk/wht/grnd)
230 volt connection and I would like to plug it into my range outlet
which is four pole, 40 amp.(blk/wht/red/grnd)
My question is how can I connect a three pole receptical onto a four
pole lead ?
Thank You in advance.

Probably against every code in sight, but the four wire range
connection is ground, neutral and the two legs of the 220 volt line --
so that 110 volt components of the range will function. What you need
to make up is a four prong plug to three prong SOCKET, where you only
bring the two hot lines and the ground across, leaving out the neutral.
You should be able to get the parts you need from any good electrical
supply house, or Lowes, Home depot. Worst case, if you can't find a
three prong socket that goes on a cord, you will have to buy a metal
box, plate, and three prong socket. Then bring three wires (of
sufficient gauge) from this socket to the four prong plug. If you
can't get a four prong plug, a short "pigtail" replacement for a range
should do the trick, as that will have the four wires (you are only
going to use three) and an attached four prong plug. As to what wire
are which, the green should be ground. Use your multimeter to measure
which are the 220 volt pair. Tape off the neutral.

That should do the trick.

Go on line to some outfit like United Electrical Supply and see what
bits and pieces they have, or Lowes/Home Depot.

professorpaul wrote:
Probably against every code in sight, but the four wire range
connection is ground, neutral and the two legs of the 220 volt line --
so that 110 volt components of the range will function. What you need
to make up is a four prong plug to three prong SOCKET, where you only
bring the two hot lines and the ground across, leaving out the neutral.
You should be able to get the parts you need from any good electrical
supply house, or Lowes, Home depot. Worst case, if you can't find a
three prong socket that goes on a cord, you will have to buy a metal
box, plate, and three prong socket. Then bring three wires (of
sufficient gauge) from this socket to the four prong plug. If you
can't get a four prong plug, a short "pigtail" replacement for a range
should do the trick, as that will have the four wires (you are only
going to use three) and an attached four prong plug. As to what wire
are which, the green should be ground. Use your multimeter to measure
which are the 220 volt pair. Tape off the neutral.

That should do the trick.

Go on line to some outfit like United Electrical Supply and see what
bits and pieces they have, or Lowes/Home Depot.

wrote:
Hello all, I have a small welder that has a three wire (blk/wht/grnd)
230 volt connection and I would like to plug it into my range outlet
which is four pole, 40 amp.(blk/wht/red/grnd)


My question is how can I connect a three pole receptical onto a four
pole lead ?

If by "four pole lead" you mean the (blk/wht/red/grnd) presently
connected to the range outlet.....And you're NOT asking how to put a
different plug onto the welder's cord....

Then just wire up a new three pole receptical from the leads which
connect to the back of the four pole one, connecting from the "blk" and
"red" to the hot slots and the grnd to the third slot on the added
receptical. No connection from the "wht" is needed.

Make sure all your connections are worthy of the fairly high currents
they'll be handling.

I'm no code mavin, but what I just wrote is electrically correct.

I trust you'll make sure the stove is OFF when you're using the welder. G

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

professorpaul wrote:
Probably against every code in sight, but the four wire range
connection is ground, neutral and the two legs of the 220 volt line --
so that 110 volt components of the range will function. What you need
to make up is a four prong plug to three prong SOCKET, where you only
bring the two hot lines and the ground across, leaving out the neutral.
You should be able to get the parts you need from any good electrical
supply house, or Lowes, Home depot. Worst case, if you can't find a
three prong socket that goes on a cord, you will have to buy a metal
box, plate, and three prong socket. Then bring three wires (of
sufficient gauge) from this socket to the four prong plug. If you
can't get a four prong plug, a short "pigtail" replacement for a range
should do the trick, as that will have the four wires (you are only
going to use three) and an attached four prong plug. As to what wire
are which, the green should be ground. Use your multimeter to measure
which are the 220 volt pair. Tape off the neutral.

That should do the trick.

Go on line to some outfit like United Electrical Supply and see what
bits and pieces they have, or Lowes/Home Depot.


Excellent, Thank You.
I do have the proper 40amp three prong plug and this is only to get
power to the machine so I can check it out.
I will soon have a 100 amps to my shop to properly supply the machine.

wrote:
Hello all, I have a small welder that has a three wire (blk/wht/grnd)
230 volt connection and I would like to plug it into my range outlet
which is four pole, 40 amp.(blk/wht/red/grnd)
My question is how can I connect a three pole receptical onto a four
pole lead ?
Thank You in advance.



Use the black, red, and green (or bare) wires, and tape up the white
wire. Do not accidentally switch the white and green wires when you put
the original stove receptacle back.

Best regards,
Bob

"zxcvbob" wrote in message
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wrote:
Hello all, I have a small welder that has a three wire (blk/wht/grnd)
230 volt connection and I would like to plug it into my range outlet
which is four pole, 40 amp.(blk/wht/red/grnd)
My question is how can I connect a three pole receptical onto a four
pole lead ?
Thank You in advance.



Use the black, red, and green (or bare) wires, and tape up the white wire.
Do not accidentally switch the white and green wires when you put the
original stove receptacle back.

Interesting that everyone had the same suggestion. I would have put a 4
prong plug on the welder, with nothing connected to the neutral prong; just
seems easier. What is the problem with that?

Bewildered wrote:

"zxcvbob" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Hello all, I have a small welder that has a three wire (blk/wht/grnd)
230 volt connection and I would like to plug it into my range outlet
which is four pole, 40 amp.(blk/wht/red/grnd)
My question is how can I connect a three pole receptical onto a four
pole lead ?
Thank You in advance.



Use the black, red, and green (or bare) wires, and tape up the white wire.
Do not accidentally switch the white and green wires when you put the
original stove receptacle back.

Interesting that everyone had the same suggestion. I would have put a 4
prong plug on the welder, with nothing connected to the neutral prong; just
seems easier. What is the problem with that?

Dunno, certainly one of the easiest ways to go. No code requirement
whatsoever that all the pins on the plug are actually used. Since the OP
indicates it's just for testing, were it my welder I'd just grab a
suitable spare breaker from my electrical bin and hardwire it to the
panel for the half hour of testing.

Pete C.

Bewildered wrote:
"zxcvbob" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Hello all, I have a small welder that has a three wire (blk/wht/grnd)
230 volt connection and I would like to plug it into my range outlet
which is four pole, 40 amp.(blk/wht/red/grnd)
My question is how can I connect a three pole receptical onto a four
pole lead ?
Thank You in advance.


Use the black, red, and green (or bare) wires, and tape up the white wire.
Do not accidentally switch the white and green wires when you put the
original stove receptacle back.

Interesting that everyone had the same suggestion. I would have put a 4
prong plug on the welder, with nothing connected to the neutral prong; just
seems easier. What is the problem with that?





No problem at all. But it looked to me like the OP wanted to know how
to wire a 240v grounded receptacle on a 240/120v grounded cable.

Maybe the welder has a molded plug permanently attached to its
cord. (unlikely)

Bob

Electric ranges typically have a 50 amp circuit breaker. So,
yours has 40. That's OK. What's the amperage that your welder
uses?

Seems possible, though, to wire an adaptor. Using a range cord,
and a welder socket (both often available at the hardware). You
could also wire a sub panel off the range socket, and then put in
a welder outlet.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

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Hello all, I have a small welder that has a three wire
(blk/wht/grnd)
230 volt connection and I would like to plug it into my range
outlet
which is four pole, 40 amp.(blk/wht/red/grnd)
My question is how can I connect a three pole receptical onto a
four
pole lead ?
Thank You in advance.

Make an adaptor.

--
Steve Barker

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Hello all, I have a small welder that has a three wire (blk/wht/grnd)
230 volt connection and I would like to plug it into my range outlet
which is four pole, 40 amp.(blk/wht/red/grnd)
My question is how can I connect a three pole receptical onto a four
pole lead ?
Thank You in advance.

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wrote:
Hello all, I have a small welder that has a three wire (blk/wht/grnd)
230 volt connection and I would like to plug it into my range outlet
which is four pole, 40 amp.(blk/wht/red/grnd)
My question is how can I connect a three pole receptical onto a four
pole lead ?
Thank You in advance.


For your purpose you will want to connect the welder black lead to the
socket black, welder white lead to socket red, and ground to ground.
There are a few ways you could accomplish this. If the welder uses a
regular appliance cord, perhaps one of the "better" ways would be to
replace the stock cord with one that uses a plug matching your
existing outlet. Save the original cord (I'm assuming it has a molded
on plug) in case you move somewhere that has the older style 3 prong
plug.

If you want more flexibility, you could make or possibly purchase
an adapter. Or, you could of course remove the existing plug and
replace it with one that matches the outlet.

--
Contentment makes poor men rich. Discontent makes rich men poor.
--Benjamin Franklin
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore, Maryland -

On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 13:00:32 -0500, Jeff Wisnia
wrote:

wrote:
Hello all, I have a small welder that has a three wire (blk/wht/grnd)
230 volt connection and I would like to plug it into my range outlet
which is four pole, 40 amp.(blk/wht/red/grnd)


My question is how can I connect a three pole receptical onto a four
pole lead ?

If by "four pole lead" you mean the (blk/wht/red/grnd) presently
connected to the range outlet.....And you're NOT asking how to put a
different plug onto the welder's cord....

Then just wire up a new three pole receptical from the leads which
connect to the back of the four pole one, connecting from the "blk" and
"red" to the hot slots and the grnd to the third slot on the added
receptical. No connection from the "wht" is needed.

Make sure all your connections are worthy of the fairly high currents
they'll be handling.

I'm no code mavin, but what I just wrote is electrically correct.

I trust you'll make sure the stove is OFF when you're using the welder. G

I think he'lll hve to unplug it, to plug in the welder.

Jeff

wrote in message
...
In article .com,
wrote:
Hello all, I have a small welder that has a three wire (blk/wht/grnd)
230 volt connection and I would like to plug it into my range outlet
which is four pole, 40 amp.(blk/wht/red/grnd)
My question is how can I connect a three pole receptical onto a four
pole lead ?
Thank You in advance.


For your purpose you will want to connect the welder black lead to the
socket black, welder white lead to socket red, and ground to ground.
There are a few ways you could accomplish this. If the welder uses a
regular appliance cord, perhaps one of the "better" ways would be to
replace the stock cord with one that uses a plug matching your
existing outlet. Save the original cord (I'm assuming it has a molded
on plug) in case you move somewhere that has the older style 3 prong
plug.

If you want more flexibility, you could make or possibly purchase
an adapter. Or, you could of course remove the existing plug and
replace it with one that matches the outlet.

The adapter cord route is what my brother did with his Lincoln 225 buzz box.
He had access to a industrial electric supply house, through his job at the
time, and got industrial grade fittings and 4 feet or so of the
stays-flexible-forever feed cable like used in plant equipment- it ended up
looking like a commercial item. He keeps it in the welder tool chest for the
once every couple of years he needs it, doing welding for friends at their
houses. I don't think you could do as nice with Borg-grade fittings and
cable.



aem sends...

RWEXEC wrote:
professorpaul wrote:
Probably against every code in sight, but the four wire range
connection is ground, neutral and the two legs of the 220 volt line --
so that 110 volt components of the range will function. What you need
to make up is a four prong plug to three prong SOCKET, where you only
bring the two hot lines and the ground across, leaving out the neutral.
You should be able to get the parts you need from any good electrical
supply house, or Lowes, Home depot. Worst case, if you can't find a
three prong socket that goes on a cord, you will have to buy a metal
box, plate, and three prong socket. Then bring three wires (of
sufficient gauge) from this socket to the four prong plug. If you
can't get a four prong plug, a short "pigtail" replacement for a range
should do the trick, as that will have the four wires (you are only
going to use three) and an attached four prong plug. As to what wire
are which, the green should be ground. Use your multimeter to measure
which are the 220 volt pair. Tape off the neutral.

That should do the trick.

Go on line to some outfit like United Electrical Supply and see what
bits and pieces they have, or Lowes/Home Depot.


Excellent, Thank You.
I do have the proper 40amp three prong plug and this is only to get
power to the machine so I can check it out.
I will soon have a 100 amps to my shop to properly supply the machine.

Thank to all that replied, my welder works just fine.