[[email protected]]

Of course it is good for cooking more than once, but many who do it
for Thanksgiving only cook that way once a year. You can look up a
local biodiesel producer on the internet, don't make a special trip and
use more energy than you save, wait until you have an errand to run to
that part of town anyway. (You can store and carry it in the same
container you bought it in.) Or you can pour it into the grease bin
behind a local grill, just don't throw it away. It is usually peanut
oil, which is great feedstock for biodiesel.-Jitney

[Al Bundy]

wrote:
Of course it is good for cooking more than once, but many who do it
for Thanksgiving only cook that way once a year. You can look up a
local biodiesel producer on the internet, don't make a special trip and
use more energy than you save, wait until you have an errand to run to
that part of town anyway. (You can store and carry it in the same
container you bought it in.) Or you can pour it into the grease bin
behind a local grill, just don't throw it away. It is usually peanut
oil, which is great feedstock for biodiesel.-Jitney

Every little bit helps I guess. Your suggestion of not wasting a trip
is a good one. I think the biodiesel option is more hype than success
though. It needs to be processed quite a bit and mixed with regular
diesel to protect the engines and run properly. The final price is
higher than normal also. You are paying for the "green option." Not
really a "green option" either considering the polution involved. At
least it's using something that might have been wasted.

[JoeSpareBedroom]

"Al Bundy" wrote in message
ps.com...

wrote:
Of course it is good for cooking more than once, but many who do it
for Thanksgiving only cook that way once a year. You can look up a
local biodiesel producer on the internet, don't make a special trip and
use more energy than you save, wait until you have an errand to run to
that part of town anyway. (You can store and carry it in the same
container you bought it in.) Or you can pour it into the grease bin
behind a local grill, just don't throw it away. It is usually peanut
oil, which is great feedstock for biodiesel.-Jitney

Every little bit helps I guess. Your suggestion of not wasting a trip
is a good one. I think the biodiesel option is more hype than success
though. It needs to be processed quite a bit and mixed with regular
diesel to protect the engines and run properly. The final price is
higher than normal also. You are paying for the "green option." Not
really a "green option" either considering the polution involved. At
least it's using something that might have been wasted.


In 1988, personal computers used to cost almost as much as a small car.
Economies of scale changed that. Maybe the same will happen with biodiesel,
if suppliers see a viable market.

[Carthell]

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
In 1988, personal computers used to cost almost as much as a small car.

Small, new cars cost $800 then? That was the cost of the first PC I
bought for myself back in 1989.

Economies of scale changed that. Maybe the same will happen with biodiesel,
if suppliers see a viable market.

Right up until it competes with the food supply.

-d

[Frank]

In 1988, personal computers used to cost almost as much as a small car.
Economies of scale changed that. Maybe the same will happen with biodiesel,
if suppliers see a viable market.

Bad analogy. Economics indicate that biodiesel gives out a little more
energy than ethanol from corn but cost will always be tied to
production which takes energy. OTOH if you live in a warm climate, and
have a diesel engine, you can just filter the used oil and put it in
your tank.

Frank

[Eeyore]

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

In 1988, personal computers used to cost almost as much as a small car.
Economies of scale changed that.

It wasn't so much economies of scale, it was making the parts overseas in
low-wage economies.


Maybe the same will happen with biodiesel,
if suppliers see a viable market.

The cheapest biodiesel will come from abroad.

Graham

[Rod Speed]

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Al Bundy" wrote in message
ps.com...

wrote:
Of course it is good for cooking more than once, but many who do it
for Thanksgiving only cook that way once a year. You can look up a
local biodiesel producer on the internet, don't make a special trip
and use more energy than you save, wait until you have an errand to
run to that part of town anyway. (You can store and carry it in the
same container you bought it in.) Or you can pour it into the
grease bin behind a local grill, just don't throw it away. It is
usually peanut oil, which is great feedstock for biodiesel.-Jitney

Every little bit helps I guess. Your suggestion of not wasting a trip
is a good one. I think the biodiesel option is more hype than success
though. It needs to be processed quite a bit and mixed with regular
diesel to protect the engines and run properly. The final price is
higher than normal also. You are paying for the "green option." Not
really a "green option" either considering the polution involved. At
least it's using something that might have been wasted.


In 1988, personal computers used to cost almost as much as a small
car. Economies of scale changed that. Maybe the same will happen with
biodiesel, if suppliers see a viable market.

Nope, because what drove the PC price wont drive the biodiesel price.

[Rod Speed]

Eeyore wrote
JoeSpareBedroom wrote

In 1988, personal computers used to cost almost as much as a small car.

No they didnt.

Economies of scale changed that.

There was much more involved in the price than that.

It wasn't so much economies of scale,

It wasnt economics of scale at all.

it was making the parts overseas in low-wage economies.

Nope. We saw an even more dramatic reduction in price with say
cpus and memory which have bugger all wage economics involved.

Maybe the same will happen with biodiesel,
if suppliers see a viable market.

The cheapest biodiesel will come from abroad.

Have fun explaining why the cheapest corn etc doesnt.

The reason it doesnt is industrial scale agriculture
that doesnt happen in low wage economys.

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

Eeyore wrote
JoeSpareBedroom wrote

In 1988, personal computers used to cost almost as much as a small car.

No they didnt.

Economies of scale changed that.

There was much more involved in the price than that.

It wasn't so much economies of scale,

It wasnt economics of scale at all.

it was making the parts overseas in low-wage economies.

Nope. We saw an even more dramatic reduction in price with say
cpus and memory which have bugger all wage economics involved.

If that were so then why is chip packaging so often done in Malaysia /
Philipines etc ?

Can you imagine how much genuine US made drives used to cost ? Or power supplies
? Or cases ? Or generic peripherals ?

Why did a US made Microsoft mouse cost £20 when a far eastern one cost $3 ?


Maybe the same will happen with biodiesel,
if suppliers see a viable market.

The cheapest biodiesel will come from abroad.

Have fun explaining why the cheapest corn etc doesnt.

They won't use corn. More like palm oil and jatropha. These are far better
sources of suitable vegetable oil anyway.


The reason it doesnt is industrial scale agriculture
that doesnt happen in low wage economys.

So why is Malaysia gearing up for palm oil production then ?

Graham

[Trygve Lillefosse]

On 23 Nov 2006 15:25:00 -0800, "Al Bundy"
wrote:
wrote:
Of course it is good for cooking more than once, but many who do it
for Thanksgiving only cook that way once a year. You can look up a
local biodiesel producer on the internet, don't make a special trip and
use more energy than you save, wait until you have an errand to run to
that part of town anyway. (You can store and carry it in the same
container you bought it in.) Or you can pour it into the grease bin
behind a local grill, just don't throw it away. It is usually peanut
oil, which is great feedstock for biodiesel.-Jitney

Every little bit helps I guess. Your suggestion of not wasting a trip
is a good one. I think the biodiesel option is more hype than success
though. It needs to be processed quite a bit and mixed with regular
diesel to protect the engines and run properly. The final price is
higher than normal also. You are paying for the "green option." Not
really a "green option" either considering the polution involved. At
least it's using something that might have been wasted.

It does need some processing. Basicaly filtering, and changing of its
viscosity it also need to be "washed"(with new oil, step one and three
are mostly unnessesary). But it does not need to be mixed with regular
diesel unless its cold. (The main problem with biodiesel is that it
will flow slower or evel gel at lower temperatures.)

If the cars are equiped to run on veg oil, you do not need to do
anything with new oil(even at wintertime). Reused oil would offcource
need to be filtered and possibly some processing to remove water and
impurities.

--
SEE YA !!!
Trygve Lillefosse
AKA - Malawi, The Fisher King

[Rod Speed]

Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
JoeSpareBedroom wrote

In 1988, personal computers used to cost almost as much as a small car.

No they didnt.

Economies of scale changed that.

There was much more involved in the price than that.

It wasn't so much economies of scale,

It wasnt economics of scale at all.

it was making the parts overseas in low-wage economies.

Nope. We saw an even more dramatic reduction in price with say
cpus and memory which have bugger all wage economics involved.

If that were so then why is chip packaging
so often done in Malaysia / Philipines etc ?

Thats a tiny part of the price. Might as well do the packaging
in a low labor cost country with something that portable.

Can you imagine how much genuine US made drives used to cost ?

I know what they used to cost, I bought plenty of them.

Or power supplies ? Or cases ? Or generic peripherals ?

All of those too.

Why did a US made Microsoft mouse cost £20 when a far eastern one cost $3 ?

The current MS mice still have that sort of margin over the cheapest
and arent made in the US anymore, and havent been for a long time now.

Maybe the same will happen with biodiesel,
if suppliers see a viable market.

The cheapest biodiesel will come from abroad.

Have fun explaining why the cheapest corn etc doesnt.

They won't use corn. More like palm oil and jatropha.

Not a chance, those dont produce anything like the volume needed.

These are far better sources of suitable vegetable oil anyway.

I wasnt talking about corn as a source of veg oil, just as an example
of a crop that is produced in the first world using industrial scale
agriculture that doesnt get used in the low labor cost countrys.

The reason it doesnt is industrial scale agriculture
that doesnt happen in low wage economys.

So why is Malaysia gearing up for palm oil production then ?

Because there is a market for that.

Separate matter entirely to whether the same dramatic reduction
in cost will be seen as was seen with ram and cpus and hard drives.

Palm oil production isnt suited to industrial scale agriculture.

[[email protected]]

$800 is comparable to $2k in 89. A new car could be had for $13k (my
brother bought a shelby daytona turbo z so not a hunday)

Carthell wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
In 1988, personal computers used to cost almost as much as a small car.

Small, new cars cost $800 then? That was the cost of the first PC I
bought for myself back in 1989.

Economies of scale changed that. Maybe the same will happen with biodiesel,
if suppliers see a viable market.

Right up until it competes with the food supply.

-d

[krw]

In article .com,
says...
$800 is comparable to $2k in 89.

Huh? $800(2005) is comparable to $513.24(1989) according to:
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi (the first "inflation
calculator" in the search list).

A new car could be had for $13k (my
brother bought a shelby daytona turbo z so not a hunday)

That $13k in 1989 is now the same as $20263.50. A nice car can be
had for that kind of money, particularly after rebates and such.
The 2005 car will last longer and run better too, not to mention
better safety features and creature comforts.

snip stuff left by the top-poster

--
Keith

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
JoeSpareBedroom wrote

In 1988, personal computers used to cost almost as much as a small car.

No they didnt.

Economies of scale changed that.

There was much more involved in the price than that.

It wasn't so much economies of scale,

It wasnt economics of scale at all.

it was making the parts overseas in low-wage economies.

Nope. We saw an even more dramatic reduction in price with say
cpus and memory which have bugger all wage economics involved.

If that were so then why is chip packaging
so often done in Malaysia / Philipines etc ?

Thats a tiny part of the price.

Not if it's done in the West !


Might as well do the packaging
in a low labor cost country with something that portable.

Can you imagine how much genuine US made drives used to cost ?

I know what they used to cost, I bought plenty of them.

Or power supplies ? Or cases ? Or generic peripherals ?

All of those too.

Why did a US made Microsoft mouse cost £20 when a far eastern one cost $3 ?

The current MS mice still have that sort of margin over the cheapest
and arent made in the US anymore, and havent been for a long time now.

Ireland and Mexico for the two I have here.

Ireland most certainly isn't a low wage economy.


Maybe the same will happen with biodiesel,
if suppliers see a viable market.

The cheapest biodiesel will come from abroad.

Have fun explaining why the cheapest corn etc doesnt.

They won't use corn. More like palm oil and jatropha.

Not a chance, those dont produce anything like the volume needed.

Oh yes they do. They are in fact the two best yielding sources of vegetable oil.


These are far better sources of suitable vegetable oil anyway.

I wasnt talking about corn as a source of veg oil, just as an example
of a crop that is produced in the first world using industrial scale
agriculture that doesnt get used in the low labor cost countrys.

Industrial agriculture isn't needed for them !


The reason it doesnt is industrial scale agriculture
that doesnt happen in low wage economys.

So why is Malaysia gearing up for palm oil production then ?

Because there is a market for that.

As fuel too.


Separate matter entirely to whether the same dramatic reduction
in cost will be seen as was seen with ram and cpus and hard drives.

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !


Palm oil production isnt suited to industrial scale agriculture.

It doesn't need it.

Graham

[Rod Speed]

Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
JoeSpareBedroom wrote

In 1988, personal computers used to cost almost as much as a small car.

No they didnt.

Economies of scale changed that.

There was much more involved in the price than that.

It wasn't so much economies of scale,

It wasnt economics of scale at all.

it was making the parts overseas in low-wage economies.

Nope. We saw an even more dramatic reduction in price with say
cpus and memory which have bugger all wage economics involved.

If that were so then why is chip packaging
so often done in Malaysia / Philipines etc ?

Thats a tiny part of the price.

Not if it's done in the West !

Yes it is, because its automated and you just need a machine minding monkey,
and bugger all hours of its wages for each item, so its undoubtedly high wages
dont add much at all to the cost of what is packaged with it minding the machine.

Might as well do the packaging in a low labor
cost country with something that portable.

Can you imagine how much genuine US made drives used to cost ?

I know what they used to cost, I bought plenty of them.

Or power supplies ? Or cases ? Or generic peripherals ?

All of those too.

Why did a US made Microsoft mouse cost £20 when a far eastern one cost $3 ?

The current MS mice still have that sort of margin over the cheapest
and arent made in the US anymore, and havent been for a long time now.

Ireland and Mexico for the two I have here.

My last MS mice came from China.

Ireland most certainly isn't a low wage economy.

There isnt all that much wage involved in one of them,
and significant incentives to set up factorys there.

Maybe the same will happen with biodiesel,
if suppliers see a viable market.

The cheapest biodiesel will come from abroad.

Have fun explaining why the cheapest corn etc doesnt.

They won't use corn. More like palm oil and jatropha.

Not a chance, those dont produce anything like the volume needed.

Oh yes they do.

Oh no they dont.

They are in fact the two best yielding sources of vegetable oil.

Wrong, as always.

These are far better sources of suitable vegetable oil anyway.

I wasnt talking about corn as a source of veg oil, just as an example
of a crop that is produced in the first world using industrial scale
agriculture that doesnt get used in the low labor cost countrys.

Industrial agriculture isn't needed for them !

Corse it is, thats what slashed the costs.

The reason it doesnt is industrial scale agriculture
that doesnt happen in low wage economys.

So why is Malaysia gearing up for palm oil production then ?

Because there is a market for that.

As fuel too.

They will produce bugger all veg oil that way.

They produce FAR more real oil.

Separate matter entirely to whether the same dramatic reduction
in cost will be seen as was seen with ram and cpus and hard drives.

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.

Palm oil production isnt suited to industrial scale agriculture.

It doesn't need it.

Corse it does, thats a major part of the cost of it.

[krw]

In article ,
says...

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.


The largest cost in most PeeCees these days is not silicon at all.
It's that ****e from Redmond.

--
Keith

[Rod Speed]

krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.

The largest cost in most PeeCees these days is not silicon at all.

I wasnt talking about the silicon.

It's that ****e from Redmond.

Wrong. With packaged systems thats a small part of the total price.

[Dan Bloomquist]

Rod Speed wrote:

I wasnt talking about the silicon.

I thought this was about giblets...

This get retard thread of the week...

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.

The largest cost in most PeeCees these days is not silicon at all.

I wasnt talking about the silicon.

It's that ****e from Redmond.

Wrong. With packaged systems thats a small part of the total price.

You're bending the rules now. How much does Dell pay for a CPU eh ?

Graham

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
JoeSpareBedroom wrote

In 1988, personal computers used to cost almost as much as a small car.

No they didnt.

Economies of scale changed that.

There was much more involved in the price than that.

It wasn't so much economies of scale,

It wasnt economics of scale at all.

it was making the parts overseas in low-wage economies.

Nope. We saw an even more dramatic reduction in price with say
cpus and memory which have bugger all wage economics involved.

If that were so then why is chip packaging
so often done in Malaysia / Philipines etc ?

Thats a tiny part of the price.

Not if it's done in the West !

Yes it is, because its automated and you just need a machine minding monkey,
and bugger all hours of its wages for each item, so its undoubtedly high wages
dont add much at all to the cost of what is packaged with it minding the machine.

You're mistaken.

Automation is widely used both in the west and in asia.

The lower overhead costs in asia make it cheaper overall. You'd be surprised how much
all those 'bugger alls' mount up to.

Graham

[krw]

In article ,
says...
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.

The largest cost in most PeeCees these days is not silicon at all.

I wasnt talking about the silicon.

I guess only the Lord knows what you're talking about then.

It's that ****e from Redmond.

Wrong. With packaged systems thats a small part of the total price.

How much does Dell pay for the CPU in their $330 system?

--
Keith

[Rod Speed]

Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.

The largest cost in most PeeCees these days is not silicon at all.

I wasnt talking about the silicon.

It's that ****e from Redmond.

Wrong. With packaged systems thats a small part of the total price.

You're bending the rules now.

Nope, thats how most buy PCs now.

How much does Dell pay for a CPU eh ?

Irrelevant to whether what comes from MS is the most expensive part of the system.

It isnt, and nothing like it either with packaged systems.

[Rod Speed]

krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.

The largest cost in most PeeCees these days is not silicon at all.

I wasnt talking about the silicon.

I guess only the Lord knows

No such animal.

what you're talking about then.

It's that ****e from Redmond.

Wrong. With packaged systems thats a small part of the total price.

How much does Dell pay for the CPU in their $330 system?

Irrelevant. What Dell pays for what MS supplies
isnt anything like the most expensive component.

[Rod Speed]

Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
JoeSpareBedroom wrote

In 1988, personal computers used to cost almost as much as a small car.

No they didnt.

Economies of scale changed that.

There was much more involved in the price than that.

It wasn't so much economies of scale,

It wasnt economics of scale at all.

it was making the parts overseas in low-wage economies.

Nope. We saw an even more dramatic reduction in price with say
cpus and memory which have bugger all wage economics involved.

If that were so then why is chip packaging
so often done in Malaysia / Philipines etc ?

Thats a tiny part of the price.

Not if it's done in the West !

Yes it is, because its automated and you just need a machine
minding monkey, and bugger all hours of its wages for each
item, so its undoubtedly high wages dont add much at all to
the cost of what is packaged with it minding the machine.

You're mistaken.

Nope.

Automation is widely used both in the west and in asia.

Irrelevant to how much of the cost of the final item is wages
when its done in the first world with chip packaging.

The lower overhead costs in asia make it cheaper overall.

The cost of the packaging is STILL a tiny part of the final price.

You'd be surprised how much all those 'bugger alls' mount up to.

Wrong again.

[krw]

In article ,
says...
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.

The largest cost in most PeeCees these days is not silicon at all.

I wasnt talking about the silicon.

I guess only the Lord knows

No such animal.

Right. No such *animal*.

what you're talking about then.

It's that ****e from Redmond.

Wrong. With packaged systems thats a small part of the total price.

How much does Dell pay for the CPU in their $330 system?

Irrelevant. What Dell pays for what MS supplies
isnt anything like the most expensive component.

Just what do you suppose is?

--
Keith

[Rod Speed]

krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.

The largest cost in most PeeCees these days is not silicon at all.

I wasnt talking about the silicon.

I guess only the Lord knows

No such animal.

Right. No such *animal*.

Pathetic, really.

what you're talking about then.

It's that ****e from Redmond.

Wrong. With packaged systems thats a small part of the total price.

How much does Dell pay for the CPU in their $330 system?

Irrelevant. What Dell pays for what MS supplies
isnt anything like the most expensive component.

Just what do you suppose is?

Irrelevant to that stupid claim.

[krw]

In article ,
says...
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.

The largest cost in most PeeCees these days is not silicon at all.

I wasnt talking about the silicon.

I guess only the Lord knows

No such animal.

Right. No such *animal*.

Pathetic, really.

what you're talking about then.

It's that ****e from Redmond.

Wrong. With packaged systems thats a small part of the total price.

How much does Dell pay for the CPU in their $330 system?

Irrelevant. What Dell pays for what MS supplies
isnt anything like the most expensive component.

Just what do you suppose is?

Irrelevant to that stupid claim.

Not it's not. Put up or shut up, Ron.

--
Keith

[Rod Speed]

krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.

The largest cost in most PeeCees these days is not silicon at all.

I wasnt talking about the silicon.

I guess only the Lord knows

No such animal.

Right. No such *animal*.

Pathetic, really.

what you're talking about then.

It's that ****e from Redmond.

Wrong. With packaged systems thats a small part of the total price.

How much does Dell pay for the CPU in their $330 system?

Irrelevant. What Dell pays for what MS supplies
isnt anything like the most expensive component.

Just what do you suppose is?

Irrelevant to that stupid claim.

Not it's not.

Corse it is.

Put up or shut up, Ron.

Go and **** yourself, gutless.

YOU made that stupid pig ignorant claim.

YOU get to put up or shut up on that stupid pig ignorant claim.

THATS how it works.

[krw]

In article ,
says...
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.

The largest cost in most PeeCees these days is not silicon at all.

I wasnt talking about the silicon.

I guess only the Lord knows

No such animal.

Right. No such *animal*.

Pathetic, really.

what you're talking about then.

It's that ****e from Redmond.

Wrong. With packaged systems thats a small part of the total price.

How much does Dell pay for the CPU in their $330 system?

Irrelevant. What Dell pays for what MS supplies
isnt anything like the most expensive component.

Just what do you suppose is?

Irrelevant to that stupid claim.

Not it's not.

Corse it is.

Put up or shut up, Ron.

Go and **** yourself, gutless.

Gutless? I'm not the one with a silly Nom de Plume, Ronny.

YOU made that stupid pig ignorant claim.

I made nothing up.

YOU get to put up or shut up on that stupid pig ignorant claim.

You *know* I'm wrong, Ronny. It should be pretty easy for you to
tell me why I'm wrong, Ronny.

THATS how it works.

You haven't worked in decades.

--
Keith

[Larry Bud]

wrote:
$800 is comparable to $2k in 89. A new car could be had for $13k (my
brother bought a shelby daytona turbo z so not a hunday)


Not quite. $800 in 1989 is about $1246 in 2005

See

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/

But that's neither here nor there. The computing power you can buy for
$1246 today is 50 times what it was for the same money in 1989.

[Rod Speed]

krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.

The largest cost in most PeeCees these days is not silicon at all.

I wasnt talking about the silicon.

I guess only the Lord knows

No such animal.

Right. No such *animal*.

Pathetic, really.

what you're talking about then.

It's that ****e from Redmond.

Wrong. With packaged systems thats a small part of the total price.

How much does Dell pay for the CPU in their $330 system?

Irrelevant. What Dell pays for what MS supplies
isnt anything like the most expensive component.

Just what do you suppose is?

Irrelevant to that stupid claim.

Not it's not.

Corse it is.

Put up or shut up, Ron.

Go and **** yourself, gutless.

Gutless?

Yep, gutless.

I'm not the one with a silly Nom de Plume, Ronny.

You're the gutless ****wit deserately cowering behind those initials, gutless.

And mine isnt a nom de plume thanks, gutless.

YOU made that stupid pig ignorant claim.

I made nothing up.

Never said you did.

YOU get to put up or shut up on that stupid pig ignorant claim.

You *know* I'm wrong, Ronny.

Yep, sure do.

It should be pretty easy for you to tell me why I'm wrong, Ronny.

I already did.

THATS how it works.

You haven't worked in decades.

Guess which pathetic little gutless prat has just got egg all over its pathetic little face, as
always ?

YOU made that stupid pig ignorant claim.


YOU get to put up or shut up on that stupid pig ignorant claim.

THATS how it works.

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.

The largest cost in most PeeCees these days is not silicon at all.

I wasnt talking about the silicon.

I guess only the Lord knows

No such animal.

what you're talking about then.

It's that ****e from Redmond.

Wrong. With packaged systems thats a small part of the total price.

How much does Dell pay for the CPU in their $330 system?

Irrelevant. What Dell pays for what MS supplies
isnt anything like the most expensive component.

How about some figures then ?

What do you think is the most expensive hardware component ?

Graham

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.

The largest cost in most PeeCees these days is not silicon at all.

I wasnt talking about the silicon.

It's that ****e from Redmond.

Wrong. With packaged systems thats a small part of the total price.

You're bending the rules now.

Nope, thats how most buy PCs now.

How much does Dell pay for a CPU eh ?

Irrelevant to whether what comes from MS is the most expensive part of the system.

No, it's highly relevant since it's likely to be either the CPU or the OS for most
systems.


It isnt,

Isn't what ?


and nothing like it either with packaged systems.

I contend that the OS will cost PC manufacturers more than the CPU in most systems.

Graham

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
JoeSpareBedroom wrote

In 1988, personal computers used to cost almost as much as a small car.

No they didnt.

Economies of scale changed that.

There was much more involved in the price than that.

It wasn't so much economies of scale,

It wasnt economics of scale at all.

it was making the parts overseas in low-wage economies.

Nope. We saw an even more dramatic reduction in price with say
cpus and memory which have bugger all wage economics involved.

If that were so then why is chip packaging
so often done in Malaysia / Philipines etc ?

Thats a tiny part of the price.

Not if it's done in the West !

Yes it is, because its automated and you just need a machine
minding monkey, and bugger all hours of its wages for each
item, so its undoubtedly high wages dont add much at all to
the cost of what is packaged with it minding the machine.

You're mistaken.

Nope.

Automation is widely used both in the west and in asia.

Irrelevant to how much of the cost of the final item is wages
when its done in the first world with chip packaging.

The lower overhead costs in asia make it cheaper overall.

The cost of the packaging is STILL a tiny part of the final price.

You'd be surprised how much all those 'bugger alls' mount up to.

Wrong again.

No sunshine, *you* are.

Have you ever been to China ? To see the factories ? What do you reckon the gate
price of a $30 dollar DVD player is for example ?

Graham

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote

How much does Dell pay for the CPU in their $330 system?

Irrelevant. What Dell pays for what MS supplies
isnt anything like the most expensive component.

Just what do you suppose is?

Irrelevant to that stupid claim.

It's relevant since you claimed it *wan't* relevant ! You'll have to have more
than simple refutation for your case to stand up.

Graham

[krw]

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krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
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krw wrote
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krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.

The largest cost in most PeeCees these days is not silicon at all.

I wasnt talking about the silicon.

I guess only the Lord knows

No such animal.

Right. No such *animal*.

Pathetic, really.

what you're talking about then.

It's that ****e from Redmond.

Wrong. With packaged systems thats a small part of the total price.

How much does Dell pay for the CPU in their $330 system?

Irrelevant. What Dell pays for what MS supplies
isnt anything like the most expensive component.

Just what do you suppose is?

Irrelevant to that stupid claim.

Not it's not.

Corse it is.

Put up or shut up, Ron.

Go and **** yourself, gutless.

Gutless?

Yep, gutless.

I'm not the one with a silly Nom de Plume, Ronny.

You're the gutless ****wit deserately cowering behind those initials, gutless.

Ronny, my last name can be found pretty easily, if you had half a
brain cell left.

And mine isnt a nom de plume thanks, gutless.

YOU made that stupid pig ignorant claim.

I made nothing up.

Never said you did.

Ronny, it's good to see some things never change. I wish it were
other things, though.

YOU get to put up or shut up on that stupid pig ignorant claim.

You *know* I'm wrong, Ronny.

Yep, sure do.

The put up, Ronny?

It should be pretty easy for you to tell me why I'm wrong, Ronny.

I already did.

No, you didn't, Humor me. What is worth more?

THATS how it works.

You haven't worked in decades.

Guess which pathetic little gutless prat has just got egg all over its pathetic little face, as
always ?

Nope. You haven't one word right in the entire sentence. No
surprise there Ron.

YOU made that stupid pig ignorant claim.


YOU get to put up or shut up on that stupid pig ignorant claim.

THATS how it works.

You're repeating yourself, Ronny. See your doctor, it's a sign of
dementia.

--
Keith

[Rod Speed]

Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.

The largest cost in most PeeCees these days is not silicon at all.

I wasnt talking about the silicon.

It's that ****e from Redmond.

Wrong. With packaged systems thats a small part of the total price.

You're bending the rules now.

Nope, thats how most buy PCs now.

How much does Dell pay for a CPU eh ?

Irrelevant to whether what comes from MS
is the most expensive part of the system.

No, it's highly relevant since it's likely to be
either the CPU or the OS for most systems.

It isnt,

Isn't what ?

The OS isnt the most expensive part of the system, stupid.

and nothing like it either with packaged systems.

I contend that the OS will cost PC manufacturers
more than the CPU in most systems.

Your problem, you are just plain wrong.

[Rod Speed]

krw wrote:
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.

The largest cost in most PeeCees these days is not silicon at all.

I wasnt talking about the silicon.

I guess only the Lord knows

No such animal.

Right. No such *animal*.

Pathetic, really.

what you're talking about then.

It's that ****e from Redmond.

Wrong. With packaged systems thats a small part of the total price.

How much does Dell pay for the CPU in their $330 system?

Irrelevant. What Dell pays for what MS supplies
isnt anything like the most expensive component.

Just what do you suppose is?

Irrelevant to that stupid claim.

Not it's not.

Corse it is.

Put up or shut up, Ron.

Go and **** yourself, gutless.

Gutless?

Yep, gutless.

I'm not the one with a silly Nom de Plume, Ronny.

You're the gutless ****wit deserately cowering behind those initials, gutless.

Ronny, my last name can be found pretty easily, if you had half a brain cell left.

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

And mine isnt a nom de plume thanks, gutless.

YOU made that stupid pig ignorant claim.

I made nothing up.

Never said you did.

Ronny, it's good to see some things never change.
I wish it were other things, though.

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

YOU get to put up or shut up on that stupid pig ignorant claim.

You *know* I'm wrong, Ronny.

Yep, sure do.

The put up, Ronny?

YOU made that stupid pig ignorant claim.

YOU get to put up or shut up on that stupid pig ignorant claim.

THATS how it works.

It should be pretty easy for you to tell me why I'm wrong, Ronny.

I already did.

No, you didn't, Humor me. What is worth more?

YOU made that stupid pig ignorant claim.

YOU get to put up or shut up on that stupid pig ignorant claim.

THATS how it works.

THATS how it works.

You haven't worked in decades.

Guess which pathetic little gutless prat has just got egg all over
its pathetic little face, as always ?

Nope. You haven't one word right in the entire sentence.
No surprise there Ron.

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

YOU made that stupid pig ignorant claim.

YOU get to put up or shut up on that stupid pig ignorant claim.

THATS how it works.

You're repeating yourself, Ronny.
See your doctor, it's a sign of dementia.

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

[Rod Speed]

Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote

How much does Dell pay for the CPU in their $330 system?

Irrelevant. What Dell pays for what MS supplies
isnt anything like the most expensive component.

Just what do you suppose is?

Irrelevant to that stupid claim.

It's relevant since you claimed it *wan't* relevant !

Wrong, as always.

You'll have to have more than simple refutation for your case to stand up.

I JUST pointed out that that stupid pig ignorant claim is just plain wrong.

You get to like that or lump it.

[Rod Speed]

Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ram and CPUs are still the 2 priciest components in a PC !

Sure, but we saw dramatic reductions in the price they once
were, and we wont see anything like that with biodiesel.

The largest cost in most PeeCees these days is not silicon at all.

I wasnt talking about the silicon.

I guess only the Lord knows

No such animal.

what you're talking about then.

It's that ****e from Redmond.

Wrong. With packaged systems thats a small part of the total price.

How much does Dell pay for the CPU in their $330 system?

Irrelevant. What Dell pays for what MS supplies
isnt anything like the most expensive component.

How about some figures then ?

HE made that stupid pig ignorant claim.

HE gets to provide the figures.

THATS how it works.

What do you think is the most expensive hardware component ?

HE made that stupid pig ignorant claim.

HE gets to provide the figures.

THATS how it works.