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Boy, am I in the wrong line of work .........
Yesterday, our large Whirlpool self cleaning oven quit working. That is,
the electronic panel on it went black, and the latch that holds it shut during cleaning engaged partially. We can still open it with a fork, but the oven or clock or electronics won't work. Call the guy. $80 for someone to come out and tell us what's wrong. Needs two fuses, the guy says. About $20 per, and another $60 for the service call. He doesn't fix things, just gives estimates. Today, the guy comes and says it will be $275 MORE to fix the thing. We say we'll get back to him when he faxes us a written bid. No intention of getting back to him. The friggin thing can be replaced for $600. They want $355 to fix this. Anyone got any suggestions? I think I can pull the unit and check the obvious fuses. Geez, these guys make my heart surgeon look like a minimum wage worker. Steve |
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"Steve B" wrote in message
... Yesterday, our large Whirlpool self cleaning oven quit working. That is, the electronic panel on it went black, and the latch that holds it shut during cleaning engaged partially. We can still open it with a fork, but the oven or clock or electronics won't work. Call the guy. $80 for someone to come out and tell us what's wrong. Needs two fuses, the guy says. About $20 per, and another $60 for the service call. He doesn't fix things, just gives estimates. Today, the guy comes and says it will be $275 MORE to fix the thing. We say we'll get back to him when he faxes us a written bid. No intention of getting back to him. The friggin thing can be replaced for $600. They want $355 to fix this. Anyone got any suggestions? I think I can pull the unit and check the obvious fuses. Geez, these guys make my heart surgeon look like a minimum wage worker. Steve Real appliance parts stores, and often public libraries have repair books which deal with specific brands & models of appliances. I'd find one, or get ready to shell out the cash to a repair person. My only other suggestion would be to open the yellow pages and look for a locally owned appliance store which has a repair & parts department. I recently had a drainage problem with my dishwasher. I went to one of these stores to buy the service manual. The parts guy asked what was wrong, showed me a $7.00 plastic valve, and said the odds were 90% it would fix the problem. It did. He also spun the computer screen around and showed me exactly where it went. I called back the next day and asked his boss where the guy usually went for lunch, and got him a $20.00 gift certificate. |
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And when you replace it, buy a gas unit. Then you won't have to worry about
such things. (and you can cook properly on it too) -- Steve "Steve B" wrote in message ... Yesterday, our large Whirlpool self cleaning oven quit working. That is, the electronic panel on it went black, and the latch that holds it shut during cleaning engaged partially. We can still open it with a fork, but the oven or clock or electronics won't work. Call the guy. $80 for someone to come out and tell us what's wrong. Needs two fuses, the guy says. About $20 per, and another $60 for the service call. He doesn't fix things, just gives estimates. Today, the guy comes and says it will be $275 MORE to fix the thing. We say we'll get back to him when he faxes us a written bid. No intention of getting back to him. The friggin thing can be replaced for $600. They want $355 to fix this. Anyone got any suggestions? I think I can pull the unit and check the obvious fuses. Geez, these guys make my heart surgeon look like a minimum wage worker. Steve |
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"Steve Barker LT" wrote in message
... And when you replace it, buy a gas unit. Then you won't have to worry about such things. (and you can cook properly on it too) -- Steve He's talking about the electronics, not the circuit that makes the elements glow. Gas ranges often have the same delicate electronics as electric models. |
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"Steve B" wrote in message ... Yesterday, our large Whirlpool self cleaning oven quit working. That is, the electronic panel on it went black, and the latch that holds it shut during cleaning engaged partially. We can still open it with a fork, but the oven or clock or electronics won't work. Call the guy. $80 for someone to come out and tell us what's wrong. Needs two fuses, the guy says. About $20 per, and another $60 for the service call. He doesn't fix things, just gives estimates. Today, the guy comes and says it will be $275 MORE to fix the thing. We say we'll get back to him when he faxes us a written bid. No intention of getting back to him. The friggin thing can be replaced for $600. They want $355 to fix this. Anyone got any suggestions? I think I can pull the unit and check the obvious fuses. Geez, these guys make my heart surgeon look like a minimum wage worker. Steve Steve, I can relate to this as I am a pipeline welder/contractor in the oil industry. I make more than any Dr. and a lot of surgeons...... in fact, if I needed structural welding done for myself, I'd hire someone else cause I can't even afford my own rates....LOL.......Jim |
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Steve, I can relate to this as I am a pipeline welder/contractor in the oil industry. I make more than any Dr. and a lot of surgeons...... in fact, if I needed structural welding done for myself, I'd hire someone else cause I can't even afford my own rates....LOL.......Jim Forgot to add that if it's broke that bad and you don't want to pay to fix it...then take it to a charitable place that rebuilds that sort of stuff and buy a new one...hope I was of some help..get'er done!...lol...Jim |
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lady calls a plumber because her plumbing doesn't work
plumber shows up and she shows him the plumbing plumber pulls hammer out of tool kit, bangs on pipe, and says "that will be $350 m'am" lady says "just for banging on the pipe?" plumber says "no m'am, it's for knowing where to bang on the pipe" |
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"nowforsale" wrote in message
... lady calls a plumber because her plumbing doesn't work plumber shows up and she shows him the plumbing plumber pulls hammer out of tool kit, bangs on pipe, and says "that will be $350 m'am" lady says "just for banging on the pipe?" plumber says "no m'am, it's for knowing where to bang on the pipe" That's not funny! In my previous house, there was a problem with the dip tube in the water heater. It was covered under warranty, as long as the repair was done by one of a handful of plumbers on AO Smith's list. While the plumber was at the house, I pointed out the old iron drain pipes under my kitchen, which clogged on a fairly regular basis. I was planning on remodeling the kitchen, so I asked the plumber how much to switch the pipes to PVC. He said $350, so as long as he was there, I had him do the job. It took 90 minutes. Moved to a new house. The 50 year old iron pipes were even worse. Called the same plumber and said "No rush, but if you're nearby, stop over and tell me what the same thing will cost". He lives 10 minutes away. He stopped by. Estimate: $1500.00. After I got up off the floor, I said "The other house was $350. Why's this $1500?? It looks like about the same amount of pipe, and it's much easier to work on here - it's all out in the open - no corners". He says "Travel charges. I was already at your other house, right?". No further comment. |
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I'm remembering the joke about a dentist who calls a plumber. When the
drain is cleared, the dentist remarks "I don't even make this much money". The plumber replies "neither did I when I was a dentist". -- Christopher A. Young You can't shout down a troll. You have to starve them. .. "Jim" myplace@home wrote in message ... Steve, I can relate to this as I am a pipeline welder/contractor in the oil industry. I make more than any Dr. and a lot of surgeons...... in fact, if I needed structural welding done for myself, I'd hire someone else cause I can't even afford my own rates....LOL.......Jim |
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HBC my competitor servicing laminators charges 250 bucks for the first
hours labor to repair a 1500 buck laminator. I charge a fraction of that, and feel like a thief somewtimes for a 00 bucks a hour, but it includes travvel........ laminators put plastic on paper a good example is menus clear covering. Sears your best example of ripoff chars more travel to get the same tech to service a furnace with air. 75 nucks charge for swapping tool kits..... being in the service business myself it costs a lot to operate, but geez some are just a ripoff |
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Yes it's expensive, but you have to keep some things in mind. It takes a
lot of overhead before you can make any money. Overhead in time and money that you have to spend before you can charge anyone. If it's such an easy buck, then why aren't you doing it? You'll get rich quickly and easily, right? Second, in that industry, you do not simply work 40 hours a week and get paid that same $250 an hour or whatever outrageous thing it is. Maybe you only get 15 hours a week like that. The rest of the time is spent dealing with obnoxious customers who never end up using your services, dealing with paperwork, buying material, etc etc etc. I'm not saying they don't make a good living, but I'm saying it's naive to think of it in terms of "Oh, this guy got paid this much for an hour's work, therefore he makes this much per hour." |
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And more often, not. I can't imagine why. I've never seen such a unit.
-- Steve Barker "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Steve Barker LT" wrote in message ... And when you replace it, buy a gas unit. Then you won't have to worry about such things. (and you can cook properly on it too) -- Steve He's talking about the electronics, not the circuit that makes the elements glow. Gas ranges often have the same delicate electronics as electric models. |
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You've never seen a gas stove with electronic controls?
-- Mike S. "Steve Barker LT" wrote in message ... And more often, not. I can't imagine why. I've never seen such a unit. -- Steve Barker "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Steve Barker LT" wrote in message ... And when you replace it, buy a gas unit. Then you won't have to worry about such things. (and you can cook properly on it too) -- Steve He's talking about the electronics, not the circuit that makes the elements glow. Gas ranges often have the same delicate electronics as electric models. |
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We're talking about the clock, timer, and very often, the electronic circuit
that controls the oven. We are NOT talking about the 4 knobs that control the burners. With this is mind, you've either seen it, or you haven't looked. There are plenty of them. "Steve Barker LT" wrote in message ... And more often, not. I can't imagine why. I've never seen such a unit. -- Steve Barker "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Steve Barker LT" wrote in message ... And when you replace it, buy a gas unit. Then you won't have to worry about such things. (and you can cook properly on it too) -- Steve He's talking about the electronics, not the circuit that makes the elements glow. Gas ranges often have the same delicate electronics as electric models. |
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In article ,
"Mikey S." wrote: You've never seen a gas stove with electronic controls? I've seen them but would never buy a gas stove that wouldn't work during a power failure -- Free men own guns - www.geocities/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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"Nick Hull" wrote in message
.. . In article , "Mikey S." wrote: You've never seen a gas stove with electronic controls? I've seen them but would never buy a gas stove that wouldn't work during a power failure The electronics usually don't control the burners. Usually. |
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"Nick Hull" wrote in message .. . In article , "Mikey S." wrote: You've never seen a gas stove with electronic controls? I've seen them but would never buy a gas stove that wouldn't work during a power failure Ovens may not, but burners will You have to light the burners with a match. If a stove has anything electrical on it, even if it is just a light or a timer, it must, by law, have a pilotless igniter |
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"Nick Hull" wrote in message .. . In article , "Mikey S." wrote: You've never seen a gas stove with electronic controls? I've seen them but would never buy a gas stove that wouldn't work during a power failure -- Free men own guns - www.geocities/CapitolHill/5357/ I know for goddam sure I will NEVER buy another stove with electronic controls. I didn't want this one, but I didn't get to vote. Just give me the simple one with manual controls that I can change in five minutes. I"ll cope. Steve |
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"Steve B" wrote in message
... "Nick Hull" wrote in message .. . In article , "Mikey S." wrote: You've never seen a gas stove with electronic controls? I've seen them but would never buy a gas stove that wouldn't work during a power failure -- Free men own guns - www.geocities/CapitolHill/5357/ I know for goddam sure I will NEVER buy another stove with electronic controls. I didn't want this one, but I didn't get to vote. Just give me the simple one with manual controls that I can change in five minutes. I"ll cope. Steve I tried to find one a few years ago. It's not that easy. I didn't check any of the Wolf or Viking stoves, although I couldn't afford them anyway. |
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Steve B wrote in message ... I know for goddam sure I will NEVER buy another stove with electronic controls. I didn't want this one, but I didn't get to vote. Just give me the simple one with manual controls that I can change in five minutes. I"ll cope. Steve I hear you Steve. When I replaced my old oven with control knobs to one with electronic controls, I had no idea what a pain it would be. All that pressing arrows, waiting for the correct cooking time, then it goes fast and zips past by several hours, and you have to go back, and start over. Geez, never again. Cheri Cheri |
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:39:19 -0500, "Steve Barker LT"
wrote: And when you replace it, buy a gas unit. Then you won't have to worry about such things. (and you can cook properly on it too) I love the speed and heat of gas but I will never have such an appliance in my house, except the gas furnace. An open flame is too risky in a frame built house. The possibility of a gas leak is also dangerous - a house destroying explosion or gas poisoning. I know I may be unecessarily alarmist. But on two occassions I did leave my 2000 watt range element at max for the hours when I was not at home. A similar mistake like that with a gas range would have left me with no home to come home to. |
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"PaPaPeng" wrote in message I love the speed and heat of gas but I will never have such an appliance in my house, except the gas furnace. An open flame is too risky in a frame built house. The possibility of a gas leak is also dangerous - a house destroying explosion or gas poisoning. I know I may be unecessarily alarmist. But on two occassions I did leave my 2000 watt range element at max for the hours when I was not at home. A similar mistake like that with a gas range would have left me with no home to come home to. Gas would have saved you. I've had gas for 58 years, electric for two in there some time ago. The only time I ever had a problem was when my daughter almost burned the house down with (mis)use of the electric range. It would not have happened with the visible flame of a gas burner. What you fail to see is the reason the electric was left on. You did not see the flame of gas that you would have turned off because you saw it. Gas would have been safer in your case, and in mine when my daughter left a pot unattended on an electric burner. Yes, a couple of houses are damaged from gas each year, but so are people electrocuted or burned in fires stated by electricity malfunctions Funny that of 58 years of using gas, no problem, with two years of electric, the fire department had to be called out. |
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PaPaPeng wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:39:19 -0500, "Steve Barker LT" wrote: And when you replace it, buy a gas unit. Then you won't have to worry about such things. (and you can cook properly on it too) I love the speed and heat of gas but I will never have such an appliance in my house, except the gas furnace. An open flame is too risky in a frame built house. The possibility of a gas leak is also dangerous - a house destroying explosion or gas poisoning. I know I may be unecessarily alarmist. But on two occassions I did leave my 2000 watt range element at max for the hours when I was not at home. A similar mistake like that with a gas range would have left me with no home to come home to. There is almost no difference. Electric elements certainly reach the ignition temperature of almost anything that can be dropped or fall on them. I can't imagine where leaving a gas burner on would be any different than an electric element. |
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Steve B wrote:
"Nick Hull" wrote in message .. . In article , "Mikey S." wrote: You've never seen a gas stove with electronic controls? I've seen them but would never buy a gas stove that wouldn't work during a power failure -- Free men own guns - www.geocities/CapitolHill/5357/ I know for goddam sure I will NEVER buy another stove with electronic controls. I didn't want this one, but I didn't get to vote. Just give me the simple one with manual controls that I can change in five minutes. I"ll cope. Steve Lots of luck finding anything without electronic controls. |
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What makes you think a Gas stove left on will be any more or less likely to
start a fire than an electric? A burner with nothing on it? Neither should start a fire. A burner with food on it? Either will get plenty hot enough to start a fire. An oven? Either one should be regulated to a safe temperature by the thermostat. -- Mike S. "PaPaPeng" wrote in message ... I love the speed and heat of gas but I will never have such an appliance in my house, except the gas furnace. An open flame is too risky in a frame built house. The possibility of a gas leak is also dangerous - a house destroying explosion or gas poisoning. I know I may be unecessarily alarmist. But on two occassions I did leave my 2000 watt range element at max for the hours when I was not at home. A similar mistake like that with a gas range would have left me with no home to come home to. |
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"PaPaPeng" wrote in message
... On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:39:19 -0500, "Steve Barker LT" wrote: And when you replace it, buy a gas unit. Then you won't have to worry about such things. (and you can cook properly on it too) I love the speed and heat of gas but I will never have such an appliance in my house, except the gas furnace. An open flame is too risky in a frame built house. The possibility of a gas leak is also dangerous - a house destroying explosion or gas poisoning. I know I may be unecessarily alarmist. But on two occassions I did leave my 2000 watt range element at max for the hours when I was not at home. A similar mistake like that with a gas range would have left me with no home to come home to. People at various stages of life should not be allowed to operate certain devices, such as stoves, automobiles, etc. Any chance that's you? |
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You just need a stove with a simmer burner..mine has a 5th tiny burner in
the center, turned down it barely keeps a pot warm..which is just perfect at times. It goes MUCH lower than a normal burner. I have heard that an electric oven is better, but I can't comment on that, never had one. -- Mike S. "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:29:58 GMT, PaPaPeng wrote: I love cooking with a gas stove except for trying to SIMMER something on very low heat. The perfect setup for me would be a cooktop with at least one electric burner for that purpose. I also greatly prefer the ovens to be electric. They do make combo units with gas burners and electric oven, but that doesn't quite fufill my wish. CWM |
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
... On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:29:58 GMT, PaPaPeng wrote: On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:39:19 -0500, "Steve Barker LT" wrote: And when you replace it, buy a gas unit. Then you won't have to worry about such things. (and you can cook properly on it too) I love the speed and heat of gas but I will never have such an appliance in my house, except the gas furnace. An open flame is too risky in a frame built house. The possibility of a gas leak is also dangerous - a house destroying explosion or gas poisoning. I know I may be unecessarily alarmist. But on two occassions I did leave my 2000 watt range element at max for the hours when I was not at home. A similar mistake like that with a gas range would have left me with no home to come home to. I love cooking with a gas stove except for trying to SIMMER something on very low heat. The perfect setup for me would be a cooktop with at least one electric burner for that purpose. I also greatly prefer the ovens to be electric. They do make combo units with gas burners and electric oven, but that doesn't quite fufill my wish. CWM Some cooking stores sell a flat, thick metal disk with a handle on it. Its purpose is to diffuse the flame so it's easier to simmer. |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:33:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: People at various stages of life should not be allowed to operate certain devices, such as stoves, automobiles, etc. Any chance that's you? Getting there. I am retired and live alone. I am normally pretty alert. But on those two occassions I had episodes where I am in a mental fog for weeks on end that I forgot even my own rule to always finish whatever I am doing at the stove first before leaving the kitchen. I have one of those "solid" pancake element stove where it is hard to know if the stove is on unless the pot is aboil. During those mental fog episodes I don't operate tools (eg.lawn mower, table saw) or so something where I can get hurt. But one has gotta eat. I don't have a car cuz' I don't use one enough to justify the expenses. My bicycle is good for trips to the mall (groceries, library, Dollar Store and MacDonalds, etc.) about 10 blocks away. There is a humongous multiple big box store business park 20 blocks away. The bus stop is just three houses away across my front door. Talkes me downtown in 40 minutes to my favorite restaurants. Max 1.5 hours by bus to anywhere cross town. I hardly of ever need to rent a car. For emergencies there are friendly neighbors and relatives further away. I never had to call in that favor yet. There is even a general hospital 12 blocks away. I've got it made. No way will I ever move elsewhere. |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message news:GI80h.10545$gZ2.234@trndny07... I've had gas for 58 years I'd hate to be around you, when you let loose. |
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I love cooking with a gas stove except for trying to SIMMER something on very low heat. The perfect setup for me would be a cooktop with at least one electric burner for that purpose. my stove not real expensive has a simmer burner a small one and also a high btu one... |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:49:02 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:29:58 GMT, PaPaPeng wrote: On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:39:19 -0500, "Steve Barker LT" wrote: And when you replace it, buy a gas unit. Then you won't have to worry about such things. (and you can cook properly on it too) I love the speed and heat of gas but I will never have such an appliance in my house, except the gas furnace. An open flame is too risky in a frame built house. The possibility of a gas leak is also dangerous - a house destroying explosion or gas poisoning. I know I may be unecessarily alarmist. But on two occassions I did leave my 2000 watt range element at max for the hours when I was not at home. A similar mistake like that with a gas range would have left me with no home to come home to. I love cooking with a gas stove except for trying to SIMMER something on very low heat. The perfect setup for me would be a cooktop with at least one electric burner for that purpose. I also greatly prefer the ovens to be electric. They do make combo units with gas burners and electric oven, but that doesn't quite fufill my wish. Isn't that pretty much what a double boiler is for? |
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"Goedjn" wrote in message
... On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:49:02 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:29:58 GMT, PaPaPeng wrote: On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:39:19 -0500, "Steve Barker LT" wrote: And when you replace it, buy a gas unit. Then you won't have to worry about such things. (and you can cook properly on it too) I love the speed and heat of gas but I will never have such an appliance in my house, except the gas furnace. An open flame is too risky in a frame built house. The possibility of a gas leak is also dangerous - a house destroying explosion or gas poisoning. I know I may be unecessarily alarmist. But on two occassions I did leave my 2000 watt range element at max for the hours when I was not at home. A similar mistake like that with a gas range would have left me with no home to come home to. I love cooking with a gas stove except for trying to SIMMER something on very low heat. The perfect setup for me would be a cooktop with at least one electric burner for that purpose. I also greatly prefer the ovens to be electric. They do make combo units with gas burners and electric oven, but that doesn't quite fufill my wish. Isn't that pretty much what a double boiler is for? Yeah, for small quantities. Won't help much for a 5 gallon pot of soup. |
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This reminds me when cars were first electronic. The mechanic would charge you $500 to put it on "the machine" to determine you needed a new board for $70. If you can isolate the problem, and buy a new board or replace the internal panel, you'd be better off than the route forced on you right now. When my dad's starter went out in his car, he replaced the entire line for $100 instead of isolating the particular part (diagnosis $500 part $10). How old is your oven, anyway? Steve B wrote: Yesterday, our large Whirlpool self cleaning oven quit working. That is, the electronic panel on it went black, and the latch that holds it shut during cleaning engaged partially. We can still open it with a fork, but the oven or clock or electronics won't work. Call the guy. $80 for someone to come out and tell us what's wrong. Needs two fuses, the guy says. About $20 per, and another $60 for the service call. He doesn't fix things, just gives estimates. Today, the guy comes and says it will be $275 MORE to fix the thing. We say we'll get back to him when he faxes us a written bid. No intention of getting back to him. The friggin thing can be replaced for $600. They want $355 to fix this. Anyone got any suggestions? I think I can pull the unit and check the obvious fuses. Geez, these guys make my heart surgeon look like a minimum wage worker. Steve |
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On 27 Oct 2006 15:14:58 -0700, "MRS. CLEAN"
wrote: This reminds me when cars were first electronic. The mechanic would charge you $500 to put it on "the machine" to determine you needed a new board for $70. If you can isolate the problem, and buy a new board or replace the internal panel, you'd be better off than the route forced on you right now. When my dad's starter went out in his car, he replaced the entire line for $100 instead of isolating the particular part (diagnosis $500 part $10). I can fix practically anything from 20 years ago and before. At least there were discrete parts where one can figure out the malfunction and replace/repair a component. With modern appliances and equipment just replace the function module. It is a problem enough to take one apart (concealed snap-on tabs) let alone ID which chip is for what and there are no replacement parts anyway. And how does one solder PCB micro traces that one can barely see as separate conductors. Pointless repairs applies to many plastic parts in that if one part fails the associated parts aren't going to last much longer anyway. Any item $200 and under is a throwaway product if you can't fix it within 30 minutes. Professional repair services find it cheaper to replace modules. At best they may accummulate a box full of "repairable" modules and rebuild them as a batch by mixing and matching good parts from several modules. There is no money in finding out how things actually go wrong and fix that anymore. |
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What HE said.
-- Steve Barker "Nick Hull" wrote in message .. . In article , "Mikey S." wrote: You've never seen a gas stove with electronic controls? I've seen them but would never buy a gas stove that wouldn't work during a power failure -- Free men own guns - www.geocities/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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Mine (maytag) has none. Just electric spark ign.
-- Steve Barker "George" wrote in message news Steve B wrote: "Nick Hull" wrote in message .. . In article , "Mikey S." wrote: You've never seen a gas stove with electronic controls? I've seen them but would never buy a gas stove that wouldn't work during a power failure -- Free men own guns - www.geocities/CapitolHill/5357/ I know for goddam sure I will NEVER buy another stove with electronic controls. I didn't want this one, but I didn't get to vote. Just give me the simple one with manual controls that I can change in five minutes. I"ll cope. Steve Lots of luck finding anything without electronic controls. |
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Mine has a KNOB you turn to a certain temp. No electronics. Yes, i've seen
the ones you speak of. Wouldn't have 'em. If i wanna know what time it is, i'll look at my phone. -- Steve Barker "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... We're talking about the clock, timer, and very often, the electronic circuit that controls the oven. We are NOT talking about the 4 knobs that control the burners. With this is mind, you've either seen it, or you haven't looked. There are plenty of them. "Steve Barker LT" wrote in message ... And more often, not. I can't imagine why. I've never seen such a unit. -- Steve Barker "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Steve Barker LT" wrote in message ... And when you replace it, buy a gas unit. Then you won't have to worry about such things. (and you can cook properly on it too) -- Steve He's talking about the electronics, not the circuit that makes the elements glow. Gas ranges often have the same delicate electronics as electric models. |
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Why would a gas oven light the house on fire any faster than an electric
one? -- Steve Barker "PaPaPeng" wrote in message ... On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:39:19 -0500, "Steve Barker LT" wrote: And when you replace it, buy a gas unit. Then you won't have to worry about such things. (and you can cook properly on it too) I love the speed and heat of gas but I will never have such an appliance in my house, except the gas furnace. An open flame is too risky in a frame built house. The possibility of a gas leak is also dangerous - a house destroying explosion or gas poisoning. I know I may be unecessarily alarmist. But on two occassions I did leave my 2000 watt range element at max for the hours when I was not at home. A similar mistake like that with a gas range would have left me with no home to come home to. |
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