My plumbing pipes run in the crawl space under my house. Recently
a pipe broke and flooded the crawl space. I turned off the water
and pumped out the crawl space. I also put a fan down there to help
(albeit not much) to dry the space out. The pipe that burst is at
the far end of the house, about as far from the access "hole" as
you can get. It's under the kitchen.

Meanwhile, the plumbers keep telling me it's too muddy for them to
fix the pipe. I said, "part of the job, getting muddy." They said
it's too muddy for them to do whatever they have to do to fix the
pipe, implying that the tools or whatever would slip or sink or
something.

I'm hoping someone here can tell me if they're really being honest
with me or they're just putting me off. They've already told me they're
very busy -- they've had to fire a couple of guys. And my repair won't
be a high-profit job.

Timeline:
--Water turned off completely on Thursday
--Crawlspace pumped out on Friday (done about 6 p.m.)
--Crawlspace drying out (with weak fan) Saturday-Tuesday
--Tuesday afternoon I was told it was still too muddy

Should I look for another plumber? Are the guys being honest with me?

Going without water this long has been a minor nightmare, as you can
imagine!

Thanks in advance,
--
8^)~~~ Sue (remove the x to e-mail)
~~~~~~
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today than I was yesterday." -Adlai Stevenson

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Unless they're the only game in town, I'd call someone else


"Suzie-Q" wrote in message
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My plumbing pipes run in the crawl space under my house. Recently
a pipe broke and flooded the crawl space. I turned off the water
and pumped out the crawl space. I also put a fan down there to help
(albeit not much) to dry the space out. The pipe that burst is at
the far end of the house, about as far from the access "hole" as
you can get. It's under the kitchen.

Meanwhile, the plumbers keep telling me it's too muddy for them to
fix the pipe. I said, "part of the job, getting muddy." They said
it's too muddy for them to do whatever they have to do to fix the
pipe, implying that the tools or whatever would slip or sink or
something.

I'm hoping someone here can tell me if they're really being honest
with me or they're just putting me off. They've already told me they're
very busy -- they've had to fire a couple of guys. And my repair won't
be a high-profit job.

Timeline:
--Water turned off completely on Thursday
--Crawlspace pumped out on Friday (done about 6 p.m.)
--Crawlspace drying out (with weak fan) Saturday-Tuesday
--Tuesday afternoon I was told it was still too muddy

Should I look for another plumber? Are the guys being honest with me?

Going without water this long has been a minor nightmare, as you can
imagine!

Thanks in advance,
--
8^)~~~ Sue (remove the x to e-mail)
~~~~~~
"I reserve the absolute right to be smarter
today than I was yesterday." -Adlai Stevenson

http://www.suzanne-eckhardt.com/
http://www.intergnat.com/malebashing/
http://www.intergnat.com/pussygames/

Should I look for another plumber? Are the guys being honest with me?

Are you kidding? Maybe not.

If they have other work to do, any mud is too muddy. Would you work in a
muddy crawl space if you had a choice?
Look for someone who need the work more, offer to pay him a premium, or wait
until he feels like doing it. It is unreasonable to expect someone who is
busy to give mud a priority for no reason.

call another plumber yours doesnt want the job...........

you should of been using several fans or better go buy or rent a couple
dehumidifiers of blow heated air under the house, probably the fastest
way to dry it up.force heat in near the wet area, let it exhaust thru
vents.

is your crawlspace properly vented? or are you one of those sealed it
up miss guided folks?

add another access door closer to the problem area, so when something
like this happens again access will be easier.

CALL ANOTHER PLUMBER RIGHT NOW.

I sometimes call Rotor rooter. They are a bit high but at least in my area
are reliable and stick to their quote and don't leave until the job is done.


"Suzie-Q" wrote in message
...
My plumbing pipes run in the crawl space under my house. Recently
a pipe broke and flooded the crawl space. I turned off the water
and pumped out the crawl space. I also put a fan down there to help
(albeit not much) to dry the space out. The pipe that burst is at
the far end of the house, about as far from the access "hole" as
you can get. It's under the kitchen.

Meanwhile, the plumbers keep telling me it's too muddy for them to
fix the pipe. I said, "part of the job, getting muddy." They said
it's too muddy for them to do whatever they have to do to fix the
pipe, implying that the tools or whatever would slip or sink or
something.

I'm hoping someone here can tell me if they're really being honest
with me or they're just putting me off. They've already told me they're
very busy -- they've had to fire a couple of guys. And my repair won't
be a high-profit job.

Timeline:
--Water turned off completely on Thursday
--Crawlspace pumped out on Friday (done about 6 p.m.)
--Crawlspace drying out (with weak fan) Saturday-Tuesday
--Tuesday afternoon I was told it was still too muddy

Should I look for another plumber? Are the guys being honest with me?

Going without water this long has been a minor nightmare, as you can
imagine!

Thanks in advance,
--
8^)~~~ Sue (remove the x to e-mail)
~~~~~~
"I reserve the absolute right to be smarter
today than I was yesterday." -Adlai Stevenson

http://www.suzanne-eckhardt.com/
http://www.intergnat.com/malebashing/
http://www.intergnat.com/pussygames/

Suzie-Q wrote:
My plumbing pipes run in the crawl space under my house. Recently
a pipe broke and flooded the crawl space. I turned off the water
and pumped out the crawl space. I also put a fan down there to help
(albeit not much) to dry the space out. The pipe that burst is at
the far end of the house, about as far from the access "hole" as
you can get. It's under the kitchen.

Meanwhile, the plumbers keep telling me it's too muddy for them to
fix the pipe. I said, "part of the job, getting muddy." They said
it's too muddy for them to do whatever they have to do to fix the
pipe, implying that the tools or whatever would slip or sink or
something.

I'm hoping someone here can tell me if they're really being honest
with me or they're just putting me off. They've already told me they're
very busy -- they've had to fire a couple of guys. And my repair won't
be a high-profit job.

Timeline:
--Water turned off completely on Thursday
--Crawlspace pumped out on Friday (done about 6 p.m.)
--Crawlspace drying out (with weak fan) Saturday-Tuesday
--Tuesday afternoon I was told it was still too muddy

Should I look for another plumber? Are the guys being honest with me?

Going without water this long has been a minor nightmare, as you can
imagine!

Thanks in advance,
--
8^)~~~ Sue (remove the x to e-mail)
~~~~~~
"I reserve the absolute right to be smarter
today than I was yesterday." -Adlai Stevenson

http://www.suzanne-eckhardt.com/
http://www.intergnat.com/malebashing/
http://www.intergnat.com/pussygames/

Sounds like there is no vapor barrier on the floor of the crawl space.
See if you can find someone to put that down.
You don't say how high the crawl space is.
That might have been a concern too.
TB

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:10:17 GMT, Suzie-Q
wrote:

My plumbing pipes run in the crawl space under my house. Recently
a pipe broke and flooded the crawl space. I turned off the water
and pumped out the crawl space. I also put a fan down there to help
(albeit not much) to dry the space out. The pipe that burst is at
the far end of the house, about as far from the access "hole" as
you can get. It's under the kitchen.

Meanwhile, the plumbers keep telling me it's too muddy for them to
fix the pipe. I said, "part of the job, getting muddy." They said
it's too muddy for them to do whatever they have to do to fix the
pipe, implying that the tools or whatever would slip or sink or
something.

I'm hoping someone here can tell me if they're really being honest
with me or they're just putting me off. They've already told me they're
very busy -- they've had to fire a couple of guys. And my repair won't
be a high-profit job.


What difference does it make? If they don't feel like doing it,
they're not going to do it. You could always do it yourself.

In article ,
Goedjn wrote:

- On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:10:17 GMT, Suzie-Q
- wrote:
-
- My plumbing pipes run in the crawl space under my house. Recently
- a pipe broke and flooded the crawl space. I turned off the water
- and pumped out the crawl space. I also put a fan down there to help
- (albeit not much) to dry the space out. The pipe that burst is at
- the far end of the house, about as far from the access "hole" as
- you can get. It's under the kitchen.
-
- Meanwhile, the plumbers keep telling me it's too muddy for them to
- fix the pipe. I said, "part of the job, getting muddy." They said
- it's too muddy for them to do whatever they have to do to fix the
- pipe, implying that the tools or whatever would slip or sink or
- something.
-
- I'm hoping someone here can tell me if they're really being honest
- with me or they're just putting me off. They've already told me they're
- very busy -- they've had to fire a couple of guys. And my repair won't
- be a high-profit job.
-
-
- What difference does it make? If they don't feel like doing it,
- they're not going to do it. You could always do it yourself.


Well, that was helpful.
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8^\~~~ Sue (remove the x to e-mail)
~~~~~~
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In article . com,
" wrote:

- Suzie-Q wrote:
- My plumbing pipes run in the crawl space under my house. Recently
- a pipe broke and flooded the crawl space. I turned off the water
- and pumped out the crawl space. I also put a fan down there to help
- (albeit not much) to dry the space out. The pipe that burst is at
- the far end of the house, about as far from the access "hole" as
- you can get. It's under the kitchen.
-
- Meanwhile, the plumbers keep telling me it's too muddy for them to
- fix the pipe. I said, "part of the job, getting muddy." They said
- it's too muddy for them to do whatever they have to do to fix the
- pipe, implying that the tools or whatever would slip or sink or
- something.
-
- I'm hoping someone here can tell me if they're really being honest
- with me or they're just putting me off. They've already told me they're
- very busy -- they've had to fire a couple of guys. And my repair won't
- be a high-profit job.
-
- Timeline:
- --Water turned off completely on Thursday
- --Crawlspace pumped out on Friday (done about 6 p.m.)
- --Crawlspace drying out (with weak fan) Saturday-Tuesday
- --Tuesday afternoon I was told it was still too muddy
-
- Should I look for another plumber? Are the guys being honest with me?
-
- Going without water this long has been a minor nightmare, as you can
- imagine!
-
- Thanks in advance,


- Sounds like there is no vapor barrier on the floor of the crawl space.
- See if you can find someone to put that down.

If you mean plastic sheeting, yes, there is some down there. I don't
know how much or how much area it covers.

- You don't say how high the crawl space is.
- That might have been a concern too.

Not very high. About 18 inches.
--
8^)~~~ Sue (remove the x to e-mail)
~~~~~~
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today than I was yesterday." -Adlai Stevenson

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"Suzie-Q" wrote in message
...
In article . com,
" wrote:

- Suzie-Q wrote:
- My plumbing pipes run in the crawl space under my house. Recently
- a pipe broke and flooded the crawl space. I turned off the water
- and pumped out the crawl space. I also put a fan down there to help
- (albeit not much) to dry the space out. The pipe that burst is at
- the far end of the house, about as far from the access "hole" as
- you can get. It's under the kitchen.
-
- Meanwhile, the plumbers keep telling me it's too muddy for them to
- fix the pipe. I said, "part of the job, getting muddy." They said
- it's too muddy for them to do whatever they have to do to fix the
- pipe, implying that the tools or whatever would slip or sink or
- something.
-
- I'm hoping someone here can tell me if they're really being honest
- with me or they're just putting me off. They've already told me
they're
- very busy -- they've had to fire a couple of guys. And my repair
won't
- be a high-profit job.
-
- Timeline:
- --Water turned off completely on Thursday
- --Crawlspace pumped out on Friday (done about 6 p.m.)
- --Crawlspace drying out (with weak fan) Saturday-Tuesday
- --Tuesday afternoon I was told it was still too muddy
-
- Should I look for another plumber? Are the guys being honest with me?
-
- Going without water this long has been a minor nightmare, as you can
- imagine!
-
- Thanks in advance,


- Sounds like there is no vapor barrier on the floor of the crawl space.
- See if you can find someone to put that down.

If you mean plastic sheeting, yes, there is some down there. I don't
know how much or how much area it covers.

- You don't say how high the crawl space is.
- That might have been a concern too.

Not very high. About 18 inches.
--
an 18" muddy crawl space. and they are not rushing to get down there.
snakes and broken glass probably also?

Cut a hole in the kitchen floor?

In article ,
"Pat" wrote:

- Cut a hole in the kitchen floor?
-
-


I've thought about that!!
--
8^)~~~ Sue (remove the x to e-mail)
~~~~~~
"I reserve the absolute right to be smarter
today than I was yesterday." -Adlai Stevenson

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In article , "Toller"
wrote:

- "Suzie-Q" wrote in message
- ...
- In article . com,
- " wrote:
-
- - Suzie-Q wrote:
- - My plumbing pipes run in the crawl space under my house. Recently
- - a pipe broke and flooded the crawl space. I turned off the water
- - and pumped out the crawl space. I also put a fan down there to help
- - (albeit not much) to dry the space out. The pipe that burst is at
- - the far end of the house, about as far from the access "hole" as
- - you can get. It's under the kitchen.
- -
- - Meanwhile, the plumbers keep telling me it's too muddy for them to
- - fix the pipe. I said, "part of the job, getting muddy." They said
- - it's too muddy for them to do whatever they have to do to fix the
- - pipe, implying that the tools or whatever would slip or sink or
- - something.
- -
- - I'm hoping someone here can tell me if they're really being honest
- - with me or they're just putting me off. They've already told me
- they're
- - very busy -- they've had to fire a couple of guys. And my repair
- won't
- - be a high-profit job.
- -
- - Timeline:
- - --Water turned off completely on Thursday
- - --Crawlspace pumped out on Friday (done about 6 p.m.)
- - --Crawlspace drying out (with weak fan) Saturday-Tuesday
- - --Tuesday afternoon I was told it was still too muddy
- -
- - Should I look for another plumber? Are the guys being honest with me?
- -
- - Going without water this long has been a minor nightmare, as you can
- - imagine!
- -
- - Thanks in advance,
-
-
- - Sounds like there is no vapor barrier on the floor of the crawl space.
- - See if you can find someone to put that down.
-
- If you mean plastic sheeting, yes, there is some down there. I don't
- know how much or how much area it covers.
-
- - You don't say how high the crawl space is.
- - That might have been a concern too.
-
- Not very high. About 18 inches.
- --
- an 18" muddy crawl space. and they are not rushing to get down there.
- snakes and broken glass probably also?
-
-
Well, the snakes probably left when the crawlspace flooded. Broken glass?
I don't know why there'd be any down there.
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"Suzie-Q" wrote in message
...
In article , "Toller"

wrote:

- "Suzie-Q" wrote in message
- ...
- In article . com,
- " wrote:
-
- - Suzie-Q wrote:
(tale of plumbing woe snipped)
Low-profit, high-hassle job. They are stalling, hoping you go elsewhere.
Work in a crawl is miserable under good conditions- 18" crawl is 'Great
Escape' category even when dry, muddy only compounds it. Is there a closet
near kitchen where you can add an access hatch? Is it a real foundation, or
is house on piers with just a decorative perimeter where you could add
another outside hatch on that end of house?

Good example of why I crossed off crawlspace-only houses while house
shopping. This place does have a crawl under addition, but it is dry and 48"
headroom- a pain, but livable. And only a couple pipes go through there.

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