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On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse
that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation. On
top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas.

https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699

The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again.

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On 1/26/2021 5:01 PM, Art60430 wrote:
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction
of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into
the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being
halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no
evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost
during transportation. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline
actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in
transporting the oil from Canada to Texas.

https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699


The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again.

Not only has he ****ed off the unions but also Indian tribes producing
oil on public land that is under their control and Canadians.
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:57:30 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 1/26/2021 5:01 PM, Art60430 wrote:
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction
of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into
the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being
halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no
evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost
during transportation. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline
actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in
transporting the oil from Canada to Texas.

https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699


The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again.

Not only has he ****ed off the unions but also Indian tribes producing
oil on public land that is under their control and Canadians.


IDK about the unions since I haven't seen anything on that, but the tribes
were out there protesting, for months if not years, so it's hard to imagine
they'd be anything but happy to see things being shut down.

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On 1/26/2021 1:49 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:57:30 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 1/26/2021 5:01 PM, Art60430 wrote:
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction
of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into
the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being
halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no
evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost
during transportation. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline
actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in
transporting the oil from Canada to Texas.

https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699


The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again.

Not only has he ****ed off the unions but also Indian tribes producing
oil on public land that is under their control and Canadians.


IDK about the unions since I haven't seen anything on that, but the tribes
were out there protesting, for months if not years, so it's hard to imagine
they'd be anything but happy to see things being shut down.

Convoluted logic. nice try.
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Frank writes:
On 1/26/2021 1:49 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:57:30 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 1/26/2021 5:01 PM, Art60430 wrote:
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction
of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into
the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being
halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no
evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost
during transportation. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline
actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in
transporting the oil from Canada to Texas.

https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699


The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again.

Not only has he ****ed off the unions but also Indian tribes producing
oil on public land that is under their control and Canadians.


IDK about the unions since I haven't seen anything on that, but the tribes
were out there protesting, for months if not years, so it's hard to imagine
they'd be anything but happy to see things being shut down.

Convoluted logic. nice try.


Because _you_ can't follow the logic doesn't make the logic convoluted.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...us-environment

https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/lo...974e7bb33.html

"\u201cIt is rare that a promise to our people is kept by the United
States,\u201d Harold Frazier, chairman of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe,
said in a news release about Biden keeping his campaign process to shut down the pipeline.

Oscar High Elk, who is part of a small protest camp near Philip, said he now
wants to see all infrastructure, including a nearby work camp and pump station,
removed so the land can be restored.

\u201cThe camp will remain until we confirm all KXL construction sites have
been shut down and the pipes removed,\u201d he told the Journal.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ne/6659608002/

Montana tribal members, fearing water contamination, relieved as Keystone
XL pipeline blocked


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On 1/26/2021 2:15 PM, Frank wrote:
On 1/26/2021 1:49 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:57:30 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 1/26/2021 5:01 PM, Art60430 wrote:
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the
construction
of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly
into
the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being
halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no
evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost
during transportation. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline
actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in
transporting the oil from Canada to Texas.

https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699



The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again.

Not only has he ****ed off the unions but also Indian tribes producing
oil on public land that is under their control and Canadians.


IDK about the unions since I haven't seen anything on that, but the
tribes
were out there protesting, for months if not years, so it's hard to
imagine
they'd be anything but happy to see things being shut down.

Convoluted logic. nice try.


Different Indians? They sure protested the Dakota pipeline.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota...eline_protests

Not happy about the Keystone either
https://www.narf.org/cases/keystone/

In their permit application, TransCanada agreed to abide by tribal laws
and regulation, which they have failed to do.


https://tinyurl.com/y6czqgh5
The circumstances for indigenous pipeline opponents along Montanas
Hi-Line are similar to those of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in its
2016 objection to the construction of Dakota Access Pipeline. In both
cases, the pipelines avoid tribal land, but intersect with the tribes
drinking water source. There are concerns about culturally important
sites and whether the tribes were adequately consulted. Treaty rights
pertaining to the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes cultural relationship
with the Missouri River, as well as a guarantee to Missouri River water
supporting the reservation are key concerns in a Fort Peck lawsuit
against the federal government.
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On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-5, Art60430 wrote:
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse
that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation.


Just a point, but the climate change angle has nothing to do with leaks.


On
top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas.


That sounds like it's correct.



https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699

The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again.


I agree, it's the stupidest thing Biden has done so far. When Trump was screwing
Canada with tariffs, the Democrats were screaming bloody murder. Biden just
screwed Canada and American workers and it's all A-OK. That oil in Canada will
continue to be developed and used, regardless of what the US does. And the US
having a source that is friendly and here would also add to our national security.
And what kind of message does this send about America being a place that is
safe and secure to invest and do business in? Investors just lost billions, screwed
by Biden. Biden chose to make the radicals happy.



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On 1/26/2021 2:37 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Frank writes:
On 1/26/2021 1:49 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:57:30 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 1/26/2021 5:01 PM, Art60430 wrote:
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction
of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into
the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being
halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no
evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost
during transportation. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline
actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in
transporting the oil from Canada to Texas.

https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699


The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again.

Not only has he ****ed off the unions but also Indian tribes producing
oil on public land that is under their control and Canadians.

IDK about the unions since I haven't seen anything on that, but the tribes
were out there protesting, for months if not years, so it's hard to imagine
they'd be anything but happy to see things being shut down.

Convoluted logic. nice try.


Because _you_ can't follow the logic doesn't make the logic convoluted.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...us-environment

https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/lo...974e7bb33.html

"\u201cIt is rare that a promise to our people is kept by the United
States,\u201d Harold Frazier, chairman of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe,
said in a news release about Biden keeping his campaign process to shut down the pipeline.

Oscar High Elk, who is part of a small protest camp near Philip, said he now
wants to see all infrastructure, including a nearby work camp and pump station,
removed so the land can be restored.

\u201cThe camp will remain until we confirm all KXL construction sites have
been shut down and the pipes removed,\u201d he told the Journal.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ne/6659608002/

Montana tribal members, fearing water contamination, relieved as Keystone
XL pipeline blocked


I call that Indian shopping.

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On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:53:58 -0800 (PST), trader_4
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On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-5, Art60430 wrote:
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse
that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation.


Just a point, but the climate change angle has nothing to do with leaks.


On
top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas.


That sounds like it's correct.



https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699

The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again.


I agree, it's the stupidest thing Biden has done so far. When Trump was screwing
Canada with tariffs, the Democrats were screaming bloody murder. Biden just
screwed Canada and American workers and it's all A-OK. That oil in Canada will
continue to be developed and used, regardless of what the US does. And the US
having a source that is friendly and here would also add to our national security.
And what kind of message does this send about America being a place that is
safe and secure to invest and do business in? Investors just lost billions, screwed
by Biden. Biden chose to make the radicals happy.


Washington state, Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota all have existing
refineries. Maybe they could work something out so that the crude could be
processed up there instead of sending it to Oklahoma and the Gulf coast.

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On 01/26/2021 12:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
The circumstances for indigenous pipeline opponents along Montanas
Hi-Line are similar to those of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in its
2016 objection to the construction of Dakota Access Pipeline. In both
cases, the pipelines avoid tribal land, but intersect with the tribes
drinking water source. There are concerns about culturally important
sites and whether the tribes were adequately consulted. Treaty rights
pertaining to the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes cultural relationship
with the Missouri River, as well as a guarantee to Missouri River water
supporting the reservation are key concerns in a Fort Peck lawsuit
against the federal government.


The Fort Peck rez has 11,000 enrolled members. Time to play cowboys and
Indians.


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On 1/26/2021 9:41 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/26/2021 12:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
The circumstances for indigenous pipeline opponents along Montanas
Hi-Line are similar to those of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in its
2016 objection to the construction of Dakota Access Pipeline. In both
cases, the pipelines avoid tribal land, but intersect with the tribes
drinking water source. There are concerns about culturally important
sites and whether the tribes were adequately consulted. Treaty rights
pertaining to the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes cultural relationship
with the Missouri River, as well as a guarantee to Missouri River water
supporting the reservation are key concerns in a Fort Peck lawsuit
against the federal government.


The Fort Peck rez has 11,000 enrolled members. Time to play cowboys and
Indians.


Could be. I honestly don't know if the pipeline is a good idea or not
as I've not followed it much at all. Seems good for lawyers though.
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On 01/26/2021 08:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/26/2021 9:41 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/26/2021 12:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
The circumstances for indigenous pipeline opponents along Montanas
Hi-Line are similar to those of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in its
2016 objection to the construction of Dakota Access Pipeline. In both
cases, the pipelines avoid tribal land, but intersect with the tribes
drinking water source. There are concerns about culturally important
sites and whether the tribes were adequately consulted. Treaty rights
pertaining to the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes cultural relationship
with the Missouri River, as well as a guarantee to Missouri River water
supporting the reservation are key concerns in a Fort Peck lawsuit
against the federal government.


The Fort Peck rez has 11,000 enrolled members. Time to play cowboys
and Indians.


Could be. I honestly don't know if the pipeline is a good idea or not
as I've not followed it much at all. Seems good for lawyers though.


At the moment, probably not. Oil is down and the Alberta tar sands
production is one of the more pricey techniques. If the economy isn't
permanently in the tank and a new mid-East fiasco starts, a North
American supply of oil would be good. Even if Biden hadn't revoked the
permit they were talking 2023 before it was operational so it isn't
exactly a overnight undertaking.

Alberta and the Bank of Montreal are in hock and Trudeau is in favor of
the project so the Canadians are not happy. The pipe layers aren't
happy. While Alberta crude would be the major item, the location is also
handy for the Williston Basin production that would be fed into it.

Cynically, the Indians are looking for something. I can't blame them
since Fort Peck is about as poor as it gets. It's also 10 miles beyond
the middle of nowhere so it's not about to become a casino resort.

The anti-XL people have jumped on everything including covid as a reason
not to do it. The pro people have a shaky economic argument and a goal
of energy independence.

Whether it's a good thing for Biden to spend political capital on, I
don't know, throwing a fish to the greens and ****ing off the unions.
Suspending oil leases is also going to screw New Mexico.

Then there is the $15 minimum wage -- FOR FEDERAL EMPLOYEES. hope the
baristas didn't get their hopes up. Maybe the local GS-4 workers will
tip a little better. The low rung GS-5's will get a massive 25 cent an
hour raise. The GS-1 and GS-2 grades will do okay but considering a GS-1
doesn't even need a GED we're talking the janitors and so forth.


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On 1/26/2021 7:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/26/2021 9:41 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/26/2021 12:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
The circumstances for indigenous pipeline opponents along Montanas
Hi-Line are similar to those of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in its
2016 objection to the construction of Dakota Access Pipeline. In both
cases, the pipelines avoid tribal land, but intersect with the tribes
drinking water source. There are concerns about culturally important
sites and whether the tribes were adequately consulted. Treaty rights
pertaining to the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes cultural relationship
with the Missouri River, as well as a guarantee to Missouri River water
supporting the reservation are key concerns in a Fort Peck lawsuit
against the federal government.


The Fort Peck rez has 11,000 enrolled members. Time to play cowboys
and Indians.


Could be.Â* I honestly don't know if the pipeline is a good idea or not
as I've not followed it much at all.Â* Seems good for lawyers though.


If you want to encourage using the dirtiest oil source available, the
pipeline is great, in a trump kind of way. At least, if we refine it, we
get to figure out what to do with the unusable waste poisons.


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The Fort Peck rez has 11,000 enrolled members. Time to play cowboys and
Indians.


It's ALWAYS time to gossip for you though.
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Could be. I honestly don't know if the pipeline is a good idea or not
as I've not followed it much at all. Seems good for lawyers though.


At the moment, probably not. Oil is down and the Alberta tar sands...


Oh, no! See my previous post!

FLUSH


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On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 9:09:03 PM UTC-5, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:53:58 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-5, Art60430 wrote:
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse
that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation.


Just a point, but the climate change angle has nothing to do with leaks.


On
top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas.


That sounds like it's correct.



https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699

The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again.


I agree, it's the stupidest thing Biden has done so far. When Trump was screwing
Canada with tariffs, the Democrats were screaming bloody murder. Biden just
screwed Canada and American workers and it's all A-OK. That oil in Canada will
continue to be developed and used, regardless of what the US does. And the US
having a source that is friendly and here would also add to our national security.
And what kind of message does this send about America being a place that is
safe and secure to invest and do business in? Investors just lost billions, screwed
by Biden. Biden chose to make the radicals happy.

Washington state, Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota all have existing
refineries. Maybe they could work something out so that the crude could be
processed up there instead of sending it to Oklahoma and the Gulf coast.


Like the same environmental extremists are going to be OK with that?
They don't want that oil used period. And what fools are going to try to
attempt that, put billions into it, have it half built only to have a dope like
Biden pull the rug out from under them again?




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On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 1:04:33 AM UTC-5, Bob F wrote:
On 1/26/2021 7:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/26/2021 9:41 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/26/2021 12:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
The circumstances for indigenous pipeline opponents along Montanas
Hi-Line are similar to those of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in its
2016 objection to the construction of Dakota Access Pipeline. In both
cases, the pipelines avoid tribal land, but intersect with the tribes
drinking water source. There are concerns about culturally important
sites and whether the tribes were adequately consulted. Treaty rights
pertaining to the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes cultural relationship
with the Missouri River, as well as a guarantee to Missouri River water
supporting the reservation are key concerns in a Fort Peck lawsuit
against the federal government.

The Fort Peck rez has 11,000 enrolled members. Time to play cowboys
and Indians.


Could be. I honestly don't know if the pipeline is a good idea or not
as I've not followed it much at all. Seems good for lawyers though.

If you want to encourage using the dirtiest oil source available, the
pipeline is great, in a trump kind of way. At least, if we refine it, we
get to figure out what to do with the unusable waste poisons.


That oil is going to be used with or without the USA. The only question is
if you want American jobs, revenue for America and a safe, secure source
of oil if the US someday needs it in an emergency. In the middle of an
economic crisis, Biden just stood with AOC and the crazies and against
American workers and business. People are losing their jobs right now as
a result. The Democrats answer is another govt handout.




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On 1/27/2021 4:53 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 9:09:03 PM UTC-5, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:53:58 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-5, Art60430 wrote:
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse
that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation.

Just a point, but the climate change angle has nothing to do with leaks.


On
top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas.

That sounds like it's correct.



https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699

The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again.

I agree, it's the stupidest thing Biden has done so far. When Trump was screwing
Canada with tariffs, the Democrats were screaming bloody murder. Biden just
screwed Canada and American workers and it's all A-OK. That oil in Canada will
continue to be developed and used, regardless of what the US does. And the US
having a source that is friendly and here would also add to our national security.
And what kind of message does this send about America being a place that is
safe and secure to invest and do business in? Investors just lost billions, screwed
by Biden. Biden chose to make the radicals happy.

Washington state, Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota all have existing
refineries. Maybe they could work something out so that the crude could be
processed up there instead of sending it to Oklahoma and the Gulf coast.


Like the same environmental extremists are going to be OK with that?
They don't want that oil used period. And what fools are going to try to
attempt that, put billions into it, have it half built only to have a dope like
Biden pull the rug out from under them again?


Fools like Joyce.
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On 1/27/2021 1:02 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/26/2021 08:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/26/2021 9:41 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/26/2021 12:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
The circumstances for indigenous pipeline opponents along Montanas
Hi-Line are similar to those of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in its
2016 objection to the construction of Dakota Access Pipeline. In both
cases, the pipelines avoid tribal land, but intersect with the tribes
drinking water source. There are concerns about culturally important
sites and whether the tribes were adequately consulted. Treaty rights
pertaining to the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes cultural relationship
with the Missouri River, as well as a guarantee to Missouri River water
supporting the reservation are key concerns in a Fort Peck lawsuit
against the federal government.

The Fort Peck rez has 11,000 enrolled members. Time to play cowboys
and Indians.


Could be.Â* I honestly don't know if the pipeline is a good idea or not
as I've not followed it much at all.Â* Seems good for lawyers though.


At the moment, probably not. Oil is down and the Alberta tar sands
production is one of the more pricey techniques. If the economy isn't
permanently in the tank and a new mid-East fiasco starts, a North
American supply of oil would be good. Even if Biden hadn't revoked the
permit they were talking 2023 before it was operational so it isn't
exactly a overnight undertaking.

Alberta and the Bank of Montreal are in hock and Trudeau is in favor of
the project so the Canadians are not happy. The pipe layers aren't
happy. While Alberta crude would be the major item, the location is also
handy for the Williston Basin production that would be fed into it.

Cynically, the Indians are looking for something. I can't blame them
since Fort Peck is about as poor as it gets. It's also 10 miles beyond
the middle of nowhere so it's not about to become a casino resort.

The anti-XL people have jumped on everything including covid as a reason
not to do it. The pro people have a shaky economic argument and a goal
of energy independence.

Whether it's a good thing for Biden to spend political capital on, I
don't know, throwing a fish to the greens and ****ing off the unions.
Suspending oil leases is also going to screw New Mexico.

Then there is the $15 minimum wage -- FOR FEDERAL EMPLOYEES. hope the
baristas didn't get their hopes up. Maybe the local GS-4 workers will
tip a little better. The low rung GS-5's will get a massive 25 cent an
hour raise. The GS-1 and GS-2 grades will do okay but considering a GS-1
doesn't even need a GED we're talking the janitors and so forth.



Looks like it is not going to be cheap crude but is sure is nice to have
crude if needed in the future.
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On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 04:53:29 -0800 (PST), trader_4
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On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 9:09:03 PM UTC-5, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:53:58 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-5, Art60430 wrote:
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse
that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation.

Just a point, but the climate change angle has nothing to do with leaks.


On
top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas.

That sounds like it's correct.



https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699

The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again.

I agree, it's the stupidest thing Biden has done so far. When Trump was screwing
Canada with tariffs, the Democrats were screaming bloody murder. Biden just
screwed Canada and American workers and it's all A-OK. That oil in Canada will
continue to be developed and used, regardless of what the US does. And the US
having a source that is friendly and here would also add to our national security.
And what kind of message does this send about America being a place that is
safe and secure to invest and do business in? Investors just lost billions, screwed
by Biden. Biden chose to make the radicals happy.

Washington state, Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota all have existing
refineries. Maybe they could work something out so that the crude could be
processed up there instead of sending it to Oklahoma and the Gulf coast.


Like the same environmental extremists are going to be OK with that?


Why not? Their complaint is with the pipeline and its risks to the
environment. Remove the pipeline from the equation and they'll have to find
something else to complain about.

They don't want that oil used period. And what fools are going to try to

attempt that, put billions into it, have it half built only to have a dope like
Biden pull the rug out from under them again?


I'm not sure what that means. Have it half built? Dope like Biden? Pull the
rug out? Again?

The refineries that I mentioned already exist and you don't need a pipeline
to bring Canadian crude to them. Or if you do need a pipeline, it could be
a thousand miles shorter and not cross under the major drinking water
supplies.



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If you want to encourage using the dirtiest oil source available, the
pipeline is great, in a trump kind of way. At least, if we refine it, we
get to figure out what to do with the unusable waste poisons.


Like they haven't been safely refining the unusable waste poisons for decades?
What exactly are the unusable waste poisons; name them.

Now back to a.h.r!

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On 1/27/2021 7:53 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 9:09:03 PM UTC-5, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:53:58 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-5, Art60430 wrote:
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse
that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation.

Just a point, but the climate change angle has nothing to do with leaks.


On
top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas.

That sounds like it's correct.



https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699

The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again.

I agree, it's the stupidest thing Biden has done so far. When Trump was screwing
Canada with tariffs, the Democrats were screaming bloody murder. Biden just
screwed Canada and American workers and it's all A-OK. That oil in Canada will
continue to be developed and used, regardless of what the US does. And the US
having a source that is friendly and here would also add to our national security.
And what kind of message does this send about America being a place that is
safe and secure to invest and do business in? Investors just lost billions, screwed
by Biden. Biden chose to make the radicals happy.

Washington state, Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota all have existing
refineries. Maybe they could work something out so that the crude could be
processed up there instead of sending it to Oklahoma and the Gulf coast.


Like the same environmental extremists are going to be OK with that?
They don't want that oil used period. And what fools are going to try to
attempt that, put billions into it, have it half built only to have a dope like
Biden pull the rug out from under them again?




Everyone has an opinion, often biased. How much of this do you think is
true?

https://www.labor4sustainability.org...r-the-economy/


Organized labor is right to demand that public policy pay attention to
our desperate need for jobs. But the Keystone XL pipeline will only make
our jobs crisis worse by making our climate crisis worse. Plus, there
are lots of pipelines that need fixing. Construction workers can be put
to work rebuilding our crumbling natural gas transmission pipeline
system €” this will create good union jobs and cut carbon emissions. And
these same workers can rebuild our crumbling water infrastructure. If
labor is going to fight for jobs, lets fight for jobs that build the
future we want for ourselves and our children, not ones that will
destroy that future.
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:49:04 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:57:30 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 1/26/2021 5:01 PM, Art60430 wrote:
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction
of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into
the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being
halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no
evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost
during transportation. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline
actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in
transporting the oil from Canada to Texas.

https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699


The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again.

Not only has he ****ed off the unions but also Indian tribes producing
oil on public land that is under their control and Canadians.


IDK about the unions since I haven't seen anything on that, but the tribes
were out there protesting, for months if not years, so it's hard to imagine
they'd be anything but happy to see things being shut down.


Different indians. The ones protesting were not the ones who owned the
oil fields. They own the land the pipe goes through and they are not
getting a royalty on each barrel.
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:53:58 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-5, Art60430 wrote:
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse
that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation.


Just a point, but the climate change angle has nothing to do with leaks.


On
top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas.


That sounds like it's correct.



https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699

The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again.


I agree, it's the stupidest thing Biden has done so far. When Trump was screwing
Canada with tariffs, the Democrats were screaming bloody murder. Biden just
screwed Canada and American workers and it's all A-OK. That oil in Canada will
continue to be developed and used, regardless of what the US does. And the US
having a source that is friendly and here would also add to our national security.
And what kind of message does this send about America being a place that is
safe and secure to invest and do business in? Investors just lost billions, screwed
by Biden. Biden chose to make the radicals happy.


\

Warren Buffett is happy. His railroad will continue to transport the
oil.


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On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 23:02:52 -0700, rbowman
wrote:

On 01/26/2021 08:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/26/2021 9:41 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/26/2021 12:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
The circumstances for indigenous pipeline opponents along Montanas
Hi-Line are similar to those of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in its
2016 objection to the construction of Dakota Access Pipeline. In both
cases, the pipelines avoid tribal land, but intersect with the tribes
drinking water source. There are concerns about culturally important
sites and whether the tribes were adequately consulted. Treaty rights
pertaining to the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes cultural relationship
with the Missouri River, as well as a guarantee to Missouri River water
supporting the reservation are key concerns in a Fort Peck lawsuit
against the federal government.

The Fort Peck rez has 11,000 enrolled members. Time to play cowboys
and Indians.


Could be. I honestly don't know if the pipeline is a good idea or not
as I've not followed it much at all. Seems good for lawyers though.


At the moment, probably not. Oil is down and the Alberta tar sands
production is one of the more pricey techniques. If the economy isn't
permanently in the tank and a new mid-East fiasco starts, a North
American supply of oil would be good. Even if Biden hadn't revoked the
permit they were talking 2023 before it was operational so it isn't
exactly a overnight undertaking.

Alberta and the Bank of Montreal are in hock and Trudeau is in favor of
the project so the Canadians are not happy. The pipe layers aren't
happy. While Alberta crude would be the major item, the location is also
handy for the Williston Basin production that would be fed into it.

Cynically, the Indians are looking for something. I can't blame them
since Fort Peck is about as poor as it gets. It's also 10 miles beyond
the middle of nowhere so it's not about to become a casino resort.

The anti-XL people have jumped on everything including covid as a reason
not to do it. The pro people have a shaky economic argument and a goal
of energy independence.

Whether it's a good thing for Biden to spend political capital on, I
don't know, throwing a fish to the greens and ****ing off the unions.
Suspending oil leases is also going to screw New Mexico.

Then there is the $15 minimum wage -- FOR FEDERAL EMPLOYEES. hope the
baristas didn't get their hopes up. Maybe the local GS-4 workers will
tip a little better. The low rung GS-5's will get a massive 25 cent an
hour raise. The GS-1 and GS-2 grades will do okay but considering a GS-1
doesn't even need a GED we're talking the janitors and so forth.

I have never seen a GS-1 and I worked around USCS workers all my life.
The girl I know who retired a 14, started as a 2 carrying budget
reports from the print shop to the people upstairs. Within a year and
a half she was a 5 pretty much doing the same thing but she had to
sort them first. Then she became a federal agent (cop). Things came
fast after that.



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On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:53:42 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/27/2021 1:02 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/26/2021 08:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/26/2021 9:41 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/26/2021 12:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
The circumstances for indigenous pipeline opponents along Montanas
Hi-Line are similar to those of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in its
2016 objection to the construction of Dakota Access Pipeline. In both
cases, the pipelines avoid tribal land, but intersect with the tribes
drinking water source. There are concerns about culturally important
sites and whether the tribes were adequately consulted. Treaty rights
pertaining to the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes cultural relationship
with the Missouri River, as well as a guarantee to Missouri River water
supporting the reservation are key concerns in a Fort Peck lawsuit
against the federal government.

The Fort Peck rez has 11,000 enrolled members. Time to play cowboys
and Indians.

Could be.Â* I honestly don't know if the pipeline is a good idea or not
as I've not followed it much at all.Â* Seems good for lawyers though.


At the moment, probably not. Oil is down and the Alberta tar sands
production is one of the more pricey techniques. If the economy isn't
permanently in the tank and a new mid-East fiasco starts, a North
American supply of oil would be good. Even if Biden hadn't revoked the
permit they were talking 2023 before it was operational so it isn't
exactly a overnight undertaking.

Alberta and the Bank of Montreal are in hock and Trudeau is in favor of
the project so the Canadians are not happy. The pipe layers aren't
happy. While Alberta crude would be the major item, the location is also
handy for the Williston Basin production that would be fed into it.

Cynically, the Indians are looking for something. I can't blame them
since Fort Peck is about as poor as it gets. It's also 10 miles beyond
the middle of nowhere so it's not about to become a casino resort.

The anti-XL people have jumped on everything including covid as a reason
not to do it. The pro people have a shaky economic argument and a goal
of energy independence.

Whether it's a good thing for Biden to spend political capital on, I
don't know, throwing a fish to the greens and ****ing off the unions.
Suspending oil leases is also going to screw New Mexico.

Then there is the $15 minimum wage -- FOR FEDERAL EMPLOYEES. hope the
baristas didn't get their hopes up. Maybe the local GS-4 workers will
tip a little better. The low rung GS-5's will get a massive 25 cent an
hour raise. The GS-1 and GS-2 grades will do okay but considering a GS-1
doesn't even need a GED we're talking the janitors and so forth.



Looks like it is not going to be cheap crude but is sure is nice to have
crude if needed in the future.


I suppose the devil's advocate would say that oil isn't going
anywhere. If we don't use it now, it will be there when we need it
later but Canada says they need the money now.
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:53:58 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-5, Art60430 wrote:
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse
that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation.


Just a point, but the climate change angle has nothing to do with leaks.


On
top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas.


That sounds like it's correct.



https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699

The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again.


I agree, it's the stupidest thing Biden has done so far. When Trump was screwing
Canada with tariffs, the Democrats were screaming bloody murder. Biden just
screwed Canada and American workers and it's all A-OK. That oil in Canada will
continue to be developed and used, regardless of what the US does. And the US
having a source that is friendly and here would also add to our national security.
And what kind of message does this send about America being a place that is
safe and secure to invest and do business in? Investors just lost billions, screwed
by Biden. Biden chose to make the radicals happy.


\

Warren Buffett is happy. His railroad will continue to transport the
oil.


I'll go out on a limb and say you have no clue as to Buffet's state of
mind.

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On 1/27/2021 7:53 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 9:09:03 PM UTC-5, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:53:58 -0800 (PST), trader_4

wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-5, Art60430 wrote:
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the
construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely
and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse
that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate
crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs
the damage done and oil lost during transportation.

Just a point, but the climate change angle has nothing to do with
leaks.


On
top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve
the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from
Canada to Texas.

That sounds like it's correct.



https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699

The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again.

I agree, it's the stupidest thing Biden has done so far. When Trump was
screwing
Canada with tariffs, the Democrats were screaming bloody murder. Biden
just
screwed Canada and American workers and it's all A-OK. That oil in
Canada will
continue to be developed and used, regardless of what the US does. And
the US
having a source that is friendly and here would also add to our
national security.
And what kind of message does this send about America being a place
that is
safe and secure to invest and do business in? Investors just lost
billions, screwed
by Biden. Biden chose to make the radicals happy.
Washington state, Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota all have existing
refineries. Maybe they could work something out so that the crude could
be
processed up there instead of sending it to Oklahoma and the Gulf coast.


Like the same environmental extremists are going to be OK with that?
They don't want that oil used period. And what fools are going to try to
attempt that, put billions into it, have it half built only to have a
dope like
Biden pull the rug out from under them again?




Everyone has an opinion, often biased. How much of this do you think is
true?

https://www.labor4sustainability.org...r-the-economy/


Organized labor is right to demand that public policy pay attention to our
desperate need for jobs. But the Keystone XL pipeline will only make our
jobs crisis worse by making our climate crisis worse.


You dont know that it will make the alleged climate
crisis worse, and even if it does, you dont know that
will make the alleged jobs crisis worse either. If the
climate 'crisis' does get worse, that could well
provide more jobs to do something about that.

Plus, there are lots of pipelines that need fixing.


Bull****.

Construction workers can be put to work rebuilding our crumbling natural
gas transmission pipeline system


More bull**** with that last.

€” this will create good union jobs and cut carbon emissions.


More bull****.

And these same workers can rebuild our crumbling water infrastructure.


More bull**** with that last.

If labor is going to fight for jobs, lets fight for jobs that build the
future we want for ourselves and our children,


Thats what that pipeline does.

not ones that will destroy that future.


More mindless bull****.

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