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http://tinyurl.com/hbspa
I've been reading up on the frenzy to pump the internet and HDTV through the power lines. It's already been successfully done in Virginia, and other test areas. This technology is going to do away with phone lines and cable lines. Now, are we going to have to slap an anti-trust suit on the power company AND IT'S ABOUT TIME THE IDIOTS PUSHED THE INTERNET THROUGH THE POWER GRID what was anyone ever thinking to pay ma bell $100.00 a month for a home and business line... a dedicated fax line etc.. it's crazy! at last! cheap high speed internet HO HUM FOR VERIZONS FIBER OPTICS.. verizon has been furiously laying fiber optics across the country... they shoulda saw this technology coming. all that money wasted internet over the power grid should come in around 2.5 gb per second. if you can plug in a lamp, you can get high speed internet. woo hoo |
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OBVIOUS SPAM not spam, no more phone or cable wires!
First rule of spammers: Spammers lie.
First words in Subject: "not spam" Unsolicited bulk delivery targets unknown target interests unknown IT'S SPAM! REPORTED AS SUCH. |
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not spam, it's a tech article ya pinhead! no more phone or cable wires!
report it all you want, Im going to report you for being disruptive
this is an excellent contribution to the alt.home.repair group hopefully this technology will do away with cable and telephone wires i see lots of poasts on home telephone wiring etc... Pop` wrote: First rule of spammers: Spammers lie. First words in Subject: "not spam" Unsolicited bulk delivery targets unknown target interests unknown IT'S SPAM! REPORTED AS SUCH. first of all they are not going to heed your babbling second of all even if they did, THERE IS NO SPAM YA IDIOT good grief it's a tech article on the technology of internet through the power grid |
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not spam, it's a tech article ya pinhead! no more phone or cable wires!
On 2 Sep 2006 08:25:45 -0700, "sosessyithurts"
wrote: this is an excellent contribution to the alt.home.repair group And just what would a reader here need to repair...nothing? good grief it's a tech article on the technology of internet through the power grid And it's old news. When you get it let us know. Oren "Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly." |
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not spam, it's a tech article ya pinhead! no more phone or cable wires!
Oren wrote: And just what would a reader here need to repair...nothing? whatever blowhard, but it ain't spam now is it And it's old news. When you get it let us know. Oren ah bull! i know everything, and I just heard about it you had something constructive you wanted to contibute? can you even spell the word internet? will oren ever get his web tv rebooted.. all this and more after a word from our sponsor "hooked on phonics" |
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On 2 Sep 2006 09:17:54 -0700, "sosessyithurts"
wrote: And it's old news. When you get it let us know. ah bull! i know everything, and I just heard about it Git-A-Date. You want BPL; without having more than one tooth? Oren "Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly." |
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not spam, it's a tech article ya pinhead! no more phone or cable wires!
Oren wrote: On 2 Sep 2006 09:17:54 -0700, "sosessyithurts" wrote: And it's old news. When you get it let us know. ah bull! i know everything, and I just heard about it Git-A-Date. You want BPL; without having more than one tooth? i've got all my dentures thanks no, i want HDTVBPPL so long as a local street light is not re broadcasting my email as a radio wave |
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not spam, it's a tech article ya pinhead! no more phone or cable wires!
On 2 Sep 2006 09:28:24 -0700, "sosessyithurts"
wrote: no, i want HDTVBPPL You a HDTV, but now what BPL... so long as a local street light is not re broadcasting my email as a radio wave I will skip the BPL as something with a long time coming. Besides I would not be an early adopter. There are plenty of options now. Even they are not all secure. Oren "Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly." |
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On 09/02/06 10:12 am sosessyithurts wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/hbspa I've been reading up on the frenzy to pump the internet and HDTV through the power lines. It's already been successfully done in Virginia, and other test areas. This technology is going to do away with phone lines and cable lines. Now, are we going to have to slap an anti-trust suit on the power company AND IT'S ABOUT TIME THE IDIOTS PUSHED THE INTERNET THROUGH THE POWER GRID Many (most?) of the technologies for implementing BPL create intolerable interference to existing radio communications services, including even police and other emergency services. And your Internet connection could be wiped out by legal transmissions by existing licensed users. what was anyone ever thinking to pay ma bell $100.00 a month for a home and business line... a dedicated fax line etc. it's crazy! And do you think your power company will give away this Internet connectivity for free? at last! cheap high speed internet In which your personal data gets broadcast over a wide area, not just within a short distance from your existing home WiFi system. HO HUM FOR VERIZONS FIBER OPTICS.. verizon has been furiously laying fiber optics across the country... they shoulda saw this technology coming. all that money wasted Fiber Optic systems neither create nor are susceptible to RF interference. internet over the power grid should come in around 2.5 gb per second. if you can plug in a lamp, you can get high speed internet. Tell the utility companies and the manufacturers of BPL equipment to come back when they've managed to repeal the laws of physics. Perce |
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sosessyithurts wrote: http://tinyurl.com/hbspa I've been reading up on the frenzy to pump the internet and HDTV through the power lines. It's already been successfully done in Virginia, and other test areas. This technology is going to do away with phone lines and cable lines. Now, are we going to have to slap an anti-trust suit on the power company AND IT'S ABOUT TIME THE IDIOTS PUSHED THE INTERNET THROUGH THE POWER GRID what was anyone ever thinking to pay ma bell $100.00 a month for a home and business line... a dedicated fax line etc.. it's crazy! at last! cheap high speed internet HO HUM FOR VERIZONS FIBER OPTICS.. verizon has been furiously laying fiber optics across the country... they shoulda saw this technology coming. all that money wasted internet over the power grid should come in around 2.5 gb per second. if you can plug in a lamp, you can get high speed internet. woo hoo |
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Arghh! so much to say so little time to do it,
won't work as well as the fiber, I know the arguments and it just simly won't. it's not secure, but then neither is cable and thats what most people use now. I have seen INET2 fiber in action and it is awesome. imagine downlading a 2 hour full HDTV movie in less than 1 minute ate peak times, thats where it's going and at peak use powerline systems won't do that because the infrastructure isn't ther to support the 2.5G bandwidth to every user, only to each distribution point. Empress2454 #124457 The best Games a href=http://www.gamestotal.com/Multiplayer Online Games/a a href=http://www.gamestotal.com/Strategy Games/abra href=http://uc.gamestotal.com/Unification Wars/a - a href=http://uc.gamestotal.com/Massive Multiplayer Online Games/abra href=http://gc.gamestotal.com/Galactic Conquest/a - a href=http://gc.gamestotal.com/Strategy Games/abra href=http://www.stephenyong.com/runescape.htmRunescape/abra href=http://www.stephenyong.com/kingsofchaos.htmKings of chaos/abr sosessyithurts wrote: http://tinyurl.com/hbspa I've been reading up on the frenzy to pump the internet and HDTV through the power lines. It's already been successfully done in Virginia, and other test areas. This technology is going to do away with phone lines and cable lines. Now, are we going to have to slap an anti-trust suit on the power company AND IT'S ABOUT TIME THE IDIOTS PUSHED THE INTERNET THROUGH THE POWER GRID what was anyone ever thinking to pay ma bell $100.00 a month for a home and business line... a dedicated fax line etc.. it's crazy! at last! cheap high speed internet HO HUM FOR VERIZONS FIBER OPTICS.. verizon has been furiously laying fiber optics across the country... they shoulda saw this technology coming. all that money wasted internet over the power grid should come in around 2.5 gb per second. if you can plug in a lamp, you can get high speed internet. woo hoo |
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Percival P. Cassidy wrote: snip cable companies and telephone companies will go away just like payphones are almost extinct it's just a matter of time I HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE You say change the laws of physics to make it work? sure! and men weren't born with clouds between their knees we won't mean to fly! power companies will become the one stop source for all communications. who the hell wants a crusty jittery phone wire vs... always on robust thick internet broadphone there is no comparison for the record.. BPL is already perfected, and being used in test areas. there's supposed to be bugs in a new technology.. geez |
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its a valid topic and post about another option.
given that it will be priced as high as possible but probably a bit less than current options-- may even decrease current rates for existing services so they remain competive |
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wrote: Arghh! so much to say so little time to do it, won't work as well as the fiber, I know the arguments and it just simly won't. it's not secure, why does it need to be secure? hmmm? because of devious people? have you EVER known a technology to fail because of evil doers? this is not about good and evil this is about doability you don't even factor the evil doers in... they have no lot in technological advances, in fact technology makes it possible to get rid of evil doers like dna, mass thumb print searches, profiling etc... but then neither is cable and thats what most people use now. I have seen INET2 fiber in action and it is awesome. imagine downlading a 2 hour full HDTV movie in less than 1 minute ate peak times, thats where it's going and at peak use powerline systems won't do that because the infrastructure isn't ther to support the 2.5G bandwidth to every user, only to each distribution point. yeah, verizon is already selling FOIS? to many folk so you're saying the the current typical power grid cannot support 2.5G to each customer at peak times where FO can? I don't know how any of this works, i just see fat ass power lines plus! if a new technology offers 2.5G in the front, they will do for BPL what DSL did for a teeny weeny phone wire. it's all about frequency.. i know for a fact that the powergrid can handle a greater frequency than a teeny weeny wimpy crusty jittery phone wire GOD SPEED THE INTERNET JESUS WHERE'S THE TYLENOL |
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On 2 Sep 2006 11:41:59 -0700, "sosessyithurts"
wrote: Percival P. Cassidy wrote: snip power companies will become the one stop source for all communications. That in and by itself will take a long, long time. for the record.. BPL is already perfected, and being used in test areas. Testing the perfect? BPL ain't perfect, nor is it widely available. there's supposed to be bugs in a new technology.. According to you. Oren "Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly." |
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Oren wrote: Isn't that just brilliant fiber vs. BPL? I have seen INET2 fiber in action and it is awesome. And where was that? verizon will have fiber optics to my house by next year, this is nothing new many have been on f.o. for a long time... imagine downlading a 2 hour full HDTV movie in less than 1 minute I get an HDTV, by turning on the TV. because the infrastructure isn't ther to support the 2.5G bandwidth to Again we don't need your HTML bull****. uh.. that's not HTML, further he is saying mass network packet sniffing units will have to be put into place, which is a short way of saying Address translation is when a host starts an outbound connection, the IP addresses in the internal network are translated into global addresses. Address translation protects these addresses from visibility on the external network. Different types of address translation are used for this purpose. and this is only to nail down security against the tyranies of evil men... further: Another concept that relates to address translation is referred to as Bi-Directional NAT. Normal address translation allows an address at an interface with a higher security level to be translated to an address at an interface with a lower security level. With Bi-Directional NAT, you can now translate an address at an interface with a lower security level to an address at an interface with a higher security level. but this has been tried without much satisfaction, it's the old goin cum bleed or blister approach, in the end they found it was not enough juice for the squeeze... just too many parameters to discuss right now like Negotiating tunnel parameters-Addresses, algorithms, lifetime, and so on. Establishing tunnels according to the parameters. Authenticating users-Making sure users are who they say they are, by way of usernames, group names and passwords, and X.509 digital certificates. Establishing user access rights-Hours of access, connection time, allowed destinations, allowed protocols, and so on. Managing security keys for encryption and decryption. Authenticating, encrypting, and decrypting data through the tunnel. that sort of thing but I think they can still make it work with web tv, that way you don't have to get out of your rump sprung chair. |
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I have been using verizon FIOS for quite a while first in my
neighborhood to be connected. Its re;liable and FAST a 5 MB at all times My old 1gig speed computers are the slow down here |
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On 2 Sep 2006 12:37:33 -0700, "sosessyithurts"
wrote: Oren wrote: Isn't that just brilliant fiber vs. BPL? I have seen INET2 fiber in action and it is awesome. And where was that? verizon will have fiber optics to my house by next year, this is nothing new many have been on f.o. for a long time... So where did your see what you saw? Will have, should have. could have, yeah right, eh? Your penis had a head on the shaft to prevent your hand from slipping off and hitting you in the fore-head. Oren "Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly." |
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On 2 Sep 2006 11:41:59 -0700, "sosessyithurts"
wrote: Percival P. Cassidy wrote: snip cable companies and telephone companies will go away just like payphones are almost extinct it's just a matter of time I HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE You say change the laws of physics to make it work? sure! and men weren't born with clouds between their knees we won't mean to fly! power companies will become the one stop source for all communications. who the hell wants a crusty jittery phone wire vs... always on robust thick internet broadphone there is no comparison for the record.. BPL is already perfected, and being used in test areas. And then you'll never have to worry about making your phone, internet connection, or TV work during a power outage. It just won't. there's supposed to be bugs in a new technology.. geez -- 114 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin |
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Oren wrote: So where did your see what you saw? http://www22.verizon.com/content/ConsumerFiOS/ go on and grab you some light |
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On 2 Sep 2006 15:12:29 -0700, "sosessyithurts"
wrote: go on and grab you some light YAWN! Oren "Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly." |
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sosessyithurts wrote: wrote: Its re;liable and FAST a 5 MB at all times My old 1gig speed computers are the slow down here that's excellent for your 1 ghz pcs, if you know the type of socket your mutherboard has, you could check on upgrading the processor. I got a 3ghz processor for 50 bux (intel celeron)... what a nice difference it made. although, I doubt 1 ghz is slower than 5mb, graphics card and memory have as much to do with how fast you get to see the data you're downloading.. something like that. how much is FIOS...$? Computers are MAXED out on memory at 512 30 bucks a month for FIOS Roughly about same price as DSL way faster........ |
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wrote: Computers are MAXED out on memory at 512 512 MB, right? Damn my 2 gigs RAM...for rockin.. Oren "Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly." |
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wrote in message oups.com... sosessyithurts wrote: wrote: Its re;liable and FAST a 5 MB at all times My old 1gig speed computers are the slow down here that's excellent for your 1 ghz pcs, if you know the type of socket your mutherboard has, you could check on upgrading the processor. I got a 3ghz processor for 50 bux (intel celeron)... what a nice difference it made. although, I doubt 1 ghz is slower than 5mb, graphics card and memory have as much to do with how fast you get to see the data you're downloading.. something like that. More like the speed of the system your getting your data from limits it. Problem with the internet, there are 2 sides to that connection and you have to pass a lot of stops along the way to your destination. The telcoms have been pushing this stuff for a long time, and while its great if they can implement it nationwide, currently its like having a superhighway from your door to the end of your driveway - then you still have to take that overcrowded 2 lane all the way to your destination. Also consider, how fast is your computer's backplane? 100 Mbit, 200 Mbit?? That Gigabit connection doesn't seem too useful does it? how much is FIOS...$? Computers are MAXED out on memory at 512 30 bucks a month for FIOS Roughly about same price as DSL way faster........ |
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FIOS is much faster than DSL, and appears more stable too Probably
because EVERYTHING is NEW! Lines boxes the works! My computers are old HP Vectras I bought off e bay for 50 bucks each a few years ago.... Nice units but really slow Have 2 networked for me and wife, plus a couple older computers just for the heck of it, they work good too. thje vectras run windows 2000 the older computers windows 98. |
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On 2 Sep 2006 07:12:30 -0700, "sosessyithurts"
wrote: I've been reading up on the frenzy to pump the internet and HDTV through the power lines. It's already been successfully done in Virginia, and other test areas. I live 40 miles from a test city where they tried that with some Beta Testers. It made the local news and everyone got all ready to jump on the band wagon and then, nothing more was ever said about it. No News from the Beta Testers or the power company. Its as if it never happened?????? You would have thought that after all the big hoopla when they started the testing that something would have made the local news Success or Failure. I assume it was a BIG failure with all the "Mums the Word" going on. Anyway, It had me excited there for a while. I hope they get this thing working because it is the ONLY hope for people in rural America where Cable and DSL is not available and will not be available in the near future if at all. Regards, Ed |
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Eigenvector wrote: Also consider, how fast is your computer's backplane? 100 Mbit, 200 Mbit?? That Gigabit connection doesn't seem too useful does it? In data acquisition, a hard drive is much slower in comparison to RAM computer memory and can be a system performance bottle-neck. so the hard drive performance is also a factor im not sure which type of drives write the fastest.. there is scsi, raid, usb, ultra wide scsi etc now for memory, i know that a 64 bit os, will grab memory in double chunks vs the 32 bit i also know that AMD technology.. the processor communicates directly with the ram oppossed to having to travel through the bus.. this will speed up processing...(talking about ram..) I am sure ram will never be a bottleneck for system performance.. if you exceed your RAM in usage, you find yourself working from the swap file..(this is slo or limited to the Hard Drive performance. all these things should be considered when upgrading pc components depending on the system, one little upgrade could make a helluva differnce. |
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"sosessyithurts" wrote in message oups.com... Eigenvector wrote: Also consider, how fast is your computer's backplane? 100 Mbit, 200 Mbit?? That Gigabit connection doesn't seem too useful does it? In data acquisition, a hard drive is much slower in comparison to RAM computer memory and can be a system performance bottle-neck. so the hard drive performance is also a factor im not sure which type of drives write the fastest.. there is scsi, raid, usb, ultra wide scsi etc now for memory, i know that a 64 bit os, will grab memory in double chunks vs the 32 bit i also know that AMD technology.. the processor communicates directly with the ram oppossed to having to travel through the bus.. this will speed up processing...(talking about ram..) I am sure ram will never be a bottleneck for system performance.. if you exceed your RAM in usage, you find yourself working from the swap file..(this is slo or limited to the Hard Drive performance. all these things should be considered when upgrading pc components depending on the system, one little upgrade could make a helluva differnce. But you'll never be faster than the backplane speed - EVER. That's the limiting factor and currently only PCI-X 16 (I think that's the big one) offers Gigabit performance. There's nothing out there that fast. The biggest factor in performance is HOW YOU USE THE COMPUTER. It doesn't matter how fast your HD is, how much RAM you have, how many bits your CPU is, if all you do is surf or type docs then who the hell cares? I know this very well as I design, maintain, and help run a rather large high-performance data center. The end-user and the application determines performance more than anything inside that box/es. That's why I'm rather blase about gigabit network to the web - all it means is more junky web pages and more spam and pop-ups per session for me. I sure won't be typing at gigabit speed. |
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On 09/02/06 01:21 pm I wrote:
On 09/02/06 10:12 am sosessyithurts wrote: http://tinyurl.com/hbspa I've been reading up on the frenzy to pump the internet and HDTV through the power lines. It's already been successfully done in Virginia, and other test areas. This technology is going to do away with phone lines and cable lines. Now, are we going to have to slap an anti-trust suit on the power company AND IT'S ABOUT TIME THE IDIOTS PUSHED THE INTERNET THROUGH THE POWER GRID Many (most?) of the technologies for implementing BPL create intolerable interference to existing radio communications services, including even police and other emergency services. And your Internet connection could be wiped out by legal transmissions by existing licensed users. what was anyone ever thinking to pay ma bell $100.00 a month for a home and business line... a dedicated fax line etc. it's crazy! And do you think your power company will give away this Internet connectivity for free? at last! cheap high speed internet In which your personal data gets broadcast over a wide area, not just within a short distance from your existing home WiFi system. HO HUM FOR VERIZONS FIBER OPTICS.. verizon has been furiously laying fiber optics across the country... they shoulda saw this technology coming. all that money wasted Fiber Optic systems neither create nor are susceptible to RF interference. internet over the power grid should come in around 2.5 gb per second. if you can plug in a lamp, you can get high speed internet. Tell the utility companies and the manufacturers of BPL equipment to come back when they've managed to repeal the laws of physics. .... And as recently as June this year the FCC was demanding to know what the utility co. in Manassas, VA was doing to solve the interference problems caused by its BPL system. Perce |
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http://tinyurl.com/jw6cm
yes, i imagine its going to take some doing to get the bugs out smart people will get it working right, there's too much money to be had to can the idea. the power company will dominate the communications industry power company stock holders will say... "LETS DEVELOP THIS TECHNOLOGY, let's charge what the market will bare." http://tinyurl.com/jw6cm more info on the technology The FCC is Pushing to see this happen and soon. Percival P. Cassidy wrote: On 09/02/06 01:21 pm I wrote: On 09/02/06 10:12 am sosessyithurts wrote: http://tinyurl.com/hbspa I've been reading up on the frenzy to pump the internet and HDTV through the power lines. It's already been successfully done in Virginia, and other test areas. This technology is going to do away with phone lines and cable lines. Now, are we going to have to slap an anti-trust suit on the power company AND IT'S ABOUT TIME THE IDIOTS PUSHED THE INTERNET THROUGH THE POWER GRID Many (most?) of the technologies for implementing BPL create intolerable interference to existing radio communications services, including even police and other emergency services. And your Internet connection could be wiped out by legal transmissions by existing licensed users. what was anyone ever thinking to pay ma bell $100.00 a month for a home and business line... a dedicated fax line etc. it's crazy! And do you think your power company will give away this Internet connectivity for free? at last! cheap high speed internet In which your personal data gets broadcast over a wide area, not just within a short distance from your existing home WiFi system. HO HUM FOR VERIZONS FIBER OPTICS.. verizon has been furiously laying fiber optics across the country... they shoulda saw this technology coming. all that money wasted Fiber Optic systems neither create nor are susceptible to RF interference. internet over the power grid should come in around 2.5 gb per second. if you can plug in a lamp, you can get high speed internet. Tell the utility companies and the manufacturers of BPL equipment to come back when they've managed to repeal the laws of physics. ... And as recently as June this year the FCC was demanding to know what the utility co. in Manassas, VA was doing to solve the interference problems caused by its BPL system. Perce |
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