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http://tinyurl.com/hbspa

I've been reading up on the frenzy to pump the internet and HDTV
through the power lines. It's already been successfully done in
Virginia, and other test areas.

This technology is going to do away with phone lines and cable lines.

Now, are we going to have to slap an anti-trust suit on the power
company

AND IT'S ABOUT TIME THE IDIOTS PUSHED THE INTERNET THROUGH THE POWER
GRID

what was anyone ever thinking to pay ma bell $100.00 a month for a home
and business line... a dedicated fax line etc..

it's crazy!

at last! cheap high speed internet

HO HUM FOR VERIZONS FIBER OPTICS.. verizon has been furiously laying
fiber optics across the country... they shoulda saw this technology
coming.
all that money wasted

internet over the power grid should come in around 2.5 gb per second.

if you can plug in a lamp, you can get high speed internet.

woo hoo

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report it all you want, Im going to report you for being disruptive

this is an excellent contribution to the alt.home.repair group

hopefully this technology will do away with cable and telephone wires

i see lots of poasts on home telephone wiring etc...


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good grief it's a tech article on the technology of internet through
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On 2 Sep 2006 08:25:45 -0700, "sosessyithurts"
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this is an excellent contribution to the alt.home.repair group


And just what would a reader here need to repair...nothing?

good grief it's a tech article on the technology of internet through
the power grid


And it's old news. When you get it let us know.
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Oren wrote:

And just what would a reader here need to repair...nothing?


whatever blowhard, but it ain't spam now is it

And it's old news. When you get it let us know.
Oren


ah bull! i know everything, and I just heard about it

you had something constructive you wanted to contibute?
can you even spell the word internet?

will oren ever get his web tv rebooted..

all this and more after a word from our sponsor "hooked on phonics"



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And it's old news. When you get it let us know.


ah bull! i know everything, and I just heard about it


Git-A-Date. You want BPL; without having more than one tooth?




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And it's old news. When you get it let us know.


ah bull! i know everything, and I just heard about it


Git-A-Date. You want BPL; without having more than one tooth?


i've got all my dentures thanks

no, i want HDTVBPPL

so long as a local street light is not re broadcasting my email as a
radio wave

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no, i want HDTVBPPL


You a HDTV, but now what BPL...

so long as a local street light is not re broadcasting my email as a
radio wave


I will skip the BPL as something with a long time coming. Besides I
would not be an early adopter. There are plenty of options now.
Even they are not all secure.



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On 09/02/06 10:12 am sosessyithurts wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/hbspa

I've been reading up on the frenzy to pump the internet and HDTV
through the power lines. It's already been successfully done in
Virginia, and other test areas.

This technology is going to do away with phone lines and cable lines.

Now, are we going to have to slap an anti-trust suit on the power
company

AND IT'S ABOUT TIME THE IDIOTS PUSHED THE INTERNET THROUGH THE POWER
GRID


Many (most?) of the technologies for implementing BPL create intolerable
interference to existing radio communications services, including even
police and other emergency services. And your Internet connection could
be wiped out by legal transmissions by existing licensed users.

what was anyone ever thinking to pay ma bell $100.00 a month for a home
and business line... a dedicated fax line etc.

it's crazy!


And do you think your power company will give away this Internet
connectivity for free?

at last! cheap high speed internet


In which your personal data gets broadcast over a wide area, not just
within a short distance from your existing home WiFi system.

HO HUM FOR VERIZONS FIBER OPTICS.. verizon has been furiously laying
fiber optics across the country... they shoulda saw this technology
coming.
all that money wasted


Fiber Optic systems neither create nor are susceptible to RF interference.

internet over the power grid should come in around 2.5 gb per second.

if you can plug in a lamp, you can get high speed internet.


Tell the utility companies and the manufacturers of BPL equipment to
come back when they've managed to repeal the laws of physics.

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sosessyithurts wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/hbspa

I've been reading up on the frenzy to pump the internet and HDTV
through the power lines. It's already been successfully done in
Virginia, and other test areas.

This technology is going to do away with phone lines and cable lines.

Now, are we going to have to slap an anti-trust suit on the power
company

AND IT'S ABOUT TIME THE IDIOTS PUSHED THE INTERNET THROUGH THE POWER
GRID

what was anyone ever thinking to pay ma bell $100.00 a month for a home
and business line... a dedicated fax line etc..

it's crazy!

at last! cheap high speed internet

HO HUM FOR VERIZONS FIBER OPTICS.. verizon has been furiously laying
fiber optics across the country... they shoulda saw this technology
coming.
all that money wasted

internet over the power grid should come in around 2.5 gb per second.

if you can plug in a lamp, you can get high speed internet.

woo hoo




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Arghh! so much to say so little time to do it,

won't work as well as the fiber, I know the arguments and it just simly
won't. it's not secure, but then neither is cable and thats what most
people use now.

I have seen INET2 fiber in action and it is awesome. imagine downlading
a 2 hour full HDTV movie in less than 1 minute ate peak times, thats
where it's going and at peak use powerline systems won't do that
because the infrastructure isn't ther to support the 2.5G bandwidth to
every user, only to each distribution point.

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sosessyithurts wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/hbspa

I've been reading up on the frenzy to pump the internet and HDTV
through the power lines. It's already been successfully done in
Virginia, and other test areas.

This technology is going to do away with phone lines and cable lines.

Now, are we going to have to slap an anti-trust suit on the power
company

AND IT'S ABOUT TIME THE IDIOTS PUSHED THE INTERNET THROUGH THE POWER
GRID

what was anyone ever thinking to pay ma bell $100.00 a month for a home
and business line... a dedicated fax line etc..

it's crazy!

at last! cheap high speed internet

HO HUM FOR VERIZONS FIBER OPTICS.. verizon has been furiously laying
fiber optics across the country... they shoulda saw this technology
coming.
all that money wasted

internet over the power grid should come in around 2.5 gb per second.

if you can plug in a lamp, you can get high speed internet.

woo hoo


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cable companies and telephone companies will go away just like
payphones are almost extinct

it's just a matter of time

I HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE

You say change the laws of physics to make it work?

sure! and men weren't born with clouds between their knees

we won't mean to fly!

power companies will become the one stop source for all communications.

who the hell wants a crusty jittery phone wire vs... always on robust
thick internet broadphone

there is no comparison

for the record.. BPL is already perfected, and being used in test
areas.

there's supposed to be bugs in a new technology..

geez

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its a valid topic and post about another option.

given that it will be priced as high as possible but probably a bit
less than current options--

may even decrease current rates for existing services so they remain
competive

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Arghh! so much to say so little time to do it,

won't work as well as the fiber, I know the arguments and it just simly
won't. it's not secure,


why does it need to be secure? hmmm? because of devious people?

have you EVER known a technology to fail because of evil doers?

this is not about good and evil this is about doability

you don't even factor the evil doers in... they have no lot in
technological advances, in fact technology makes it possible to get rid
of evil doers

like dna, mass thumb print searches, profiling etc...

but then neither is cable and thats what most
people use now.

I have seen INET2 fiber in action and it is awesome. imagine downlading
a 2 hour full HDTV movie in less than 1 minute ate peak times, thats
where it's going and at peak use powerline systems won't do that
because the infrastructure isn't ther to support the 2.5G bandwidth to
every user, only to each distribution point.


yeah, verizon is already selling FOIS? to many folk

so you're saying the the current typical power grid cannot support 2.5G
to each customer at peak times where FO can?

I don't know how any of this works, i just see fat ass power lines

plus! if a new technology offers 2.5G in the front, they will do for
BPL what DSL did for a teeny weeny phone wire.

it's all about frequency.. i know for a fact that the powergrid can
handle a greater frequency than a teeny weeny wimpy crusty jittery
phone wire

GOD SPEED THE INTERNET
JESUS WHERE'S THE TYLENOL

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On 2 Sep 2006 11:41:59 -0700, "sosessyithurts"
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Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
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power companies will become the one stop source for all communications.


That in and by itself will take a long, long time.

for the record.. BPL is already perfected, and being used in test
areas.


Testing the perfect? BPL ain't perfect, nor is it widely available.


there's supposed to be bugs in a new technology..


According to you.



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Oren wrote:

Isn't that just brilliant fiber vs. BPL?

I have seen INET2 fiber in action and it is awesome.


And where was that?


verizon will have fiber optics to my house by next year, this is
nothing new
many have been on f.o. for a long time...

imagine downlading a 2 hour full HDTV movie in less than 1 minute


I get an HDTV, by turning on the TV.

because the infrastructure isn't ther to support the 2.5G bandwidth to


Again we don't need your HTML bull****.


uh.. that's not HTML, further he is saying mass network packet sniffing
units will have to be put into place, which is a short way of saying
Address translation is when a host starts an outbound connection, the
IP addresses in the internal network are translated into global
addresses. Address translation protects these addresses from visibility
on the external network. Different types of address translation are
used for this purpose.

and this is only to nail down security against the tyranies of evil
men...

further: Another concept that relates to address translation is
referred to as Bi-Directional NAT. Normal address translation allows an
address at an interface with a higher security level to be translated
to an address at an interface with a lower security level. With
Bi-Directional NAT, you can now translate an address at an interface
with a lower security level to an address at an interface with a higher
security level.

but this has been tried without much satisfaction, it's the old goin
cum bleed or blister approach, in the end they found it was not enough
juice for the squeeze...

just too many parameters to discuss right now like

Negotiating tunnel parameters-Addresses, algorithms, lifetime, and so
on.
Establishing tunnels according to the parameters.
Authenticating users-Making sure users are who they say they are, by
way of usernames, group names and passwords, and X.509 digital
certificates.
Establishing user access rights-Hours of access, connection time,
allowed destinations, allowed protocols, and so on.
Managing security keys for encryption and decryption.
Authenticating, encrypting, and decrypting data through the tunnel.

that sort of thing

but I think they can still make it work with web tv, that way you don't
have to get out of your rump sprung chair.

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I have been using verizon FIOS for quite a while first in my
neighborhood to be connected.

Its re;liable and FAST a 5 MB at all times My old 1gig speed
computers are the slow down here

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On 2 Sep 2006 12:37:33 -0700, "sosessyithurts"
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Oren wrote:

Isn't that just brilliant fiber vs. BPL?

I have seen INET2 fiber in action and it is awesome.


And where was that?


verizon will have fiber optics to my house by next year, this is
nothing new many have been on f.o. for a long time...



So where did your see what you saw?

Will have, should have. could have, yeah right, eh?

Your penis had a head on the shaft to prevent your hand from slipping
off and hitting you in the fore-head.



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Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
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cable companies and telephone companies will go away just like
payphones are almost extinct

it's just a matter of time

I HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE

You say change the laws of physics to make it work?

sure! and men weren't born with clouds between their knees

we won't mean to fly!

power companies will become the one stop source for all communications.

who the hell wants a crusty jittery phone wire vs... always on robust
thick internet broadphone

there is no comparison

for the record.. BPL is already perfected, and being used in test
areas.


And then you'll never have to worry about making your phone, internet
connection, or TV work during a power outage. It just won't.

there's supposed to be bugs in a new technology..

geez

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Oren wrote:

So where did your see what you saw?


http://www22.verizon.com/content/ConsumerFiOS/

go on and grab you some light

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go on and grab you some light



YAWN!


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Computers are MAXED out on memory at 512


512 MB, right? Damn my 2 gigs RAM...for rockin..



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FIOS is much faster than DSL, and appears more stable too Probably
because EVERYTHING is NEW!

Lines boxes the works!

My computers are old HP Vectras I bought off e bay for 50 bucks each a
few years ago....

Nice units but really slow

Have 2 networked for me and wife, plus a couple older computers just
for the heck of it, they work good too.

thje vectras run windows 2000 the older computers windows 98.

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I've been reading up on the frenzy to pump the internet and HDTV
through the power lines. It's already been successfully done in
Virginia, and other test areas.


I live 40 miles from a test city where they tried that with some Beta
Testers. It made the local news and everyone got all ready to jump on
the band wagon and then, nothing more was ever said about it. No News
from the Beta Testers or the power company. Its as if it never
happened??????

You would have thought that after all the big hoopla when they started
the testing that something would have made the local news Success or
Failure.

I assume it was a BIG failure with all the "Mums the Word" going on.

Anyway, It had me excited there for a while. I hope they get this
thing working because it is the ONLY hope for people in rural America
where Cable and DSL is not available and will not be available in the
near future if at all.

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Also consider, how fast is your computer's backplane? 100 Mbit, 200 Mbit??
That Gigabit connection doesn't seem too useful does it?


In data acquisition, a hard drive is much slower in comparison to RAM
computer memory and can be a system performance bottle-neck.

so the hard drive performance is also a factor

im not sure which type of drives write the fastest..

there is scsi, raid, usb, ultra wide scsi etc

now for memory, i know that a 64 bit os, will grab memory in double
chunks vs the 32 bit

i also know that AMD technology.. the processor communicates directly
with the ram oppossed to having to travel through the bus.. this will
speed up processing...(talking about ram..) I am sure ram will never be
a bottleneck for system performance..

if you exceed your RAM in usage, you find yourself working from the
swap file..(this is slo or limited to the Hard Drive performance.

all these things should be considered when upgrading pc components

depending on the system, one little upgrade could make a helluva
differnce.

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Eigenvector wrote:

Also consider, how fast is your computer's backplane? 100 Mbit, 200
Mbit??
That Gigabit connection doesn't seem too useful does it?


In data acquisition, a hard drive is much slower in comparison to RAM
computer memory and can be a system performance bottle-neck.

so the hard drive performance is also a factor

im not sure which type of drives write the fastest..

there is scsi, raid, usb, ultra wide scsi etc

now for memory, i know that a 64 bit os, will grab memory in double
chunks vs the 32 bit

i also know that AMD technology.. the processor communicates directly
with the ram oppossed to having to travel through the bus.. this will
speed up processing...(talking about ram..) I am sure ram will never be
a bottleneck for system performance..

if you exceed your RAM in usage, you find yourself working from the
swap file..(this is slo or limited to the Hard Drive performance.

all these things should be considered when upgrading pc components

depending on the system, one little upgrade could make a helluva
differnce.


But you'll never be faster than the backplane speed - EVER. That's the
limiting factor and currently only PCI-X 16 (I think that's the big one)
offers Gigabit performance. There's nothing out there that fast.

The biggest factor in performance is HOW YOU USE THE COMPUTER. It doesn't
matter how fast your HD is, how much RAM you have, how many bits your CPU
is, if all you do is surf or type docs then who the hell cares? I know this
very well as I design, maintain, and help run a rather large
high-performance data center. The end-user and the application determines
performance more than anything inside that box/es.

That's why I'm rather blase about gigabit network to the web - all it means
is more junky web pages and more spam and pop-ups per session for me. I
sure won't be typing at gigabit speed.




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On 09/02/06 01:21 pm I wrote:

On 09/02/06 10:12 am sosessyithurts wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/hbspa

I've been reading up on the frenzy to pump the internet and HDTV
through the power lines. It's already been successfully done in
Virginia, and other test areas.

This technology is going to do away with phone lines and cable lines.

Now, are we going to have to slap an anti-trust suit on the power
company

AND IT'S ABOUT TIME THE IDIOTS PUSHED THE INTERNET THROUGH THE POWER
GRID


Many (most?) of the technologies for implementing BPL create intolerable
interference to existing radio communications services, including even
police and other emergency services. And your Internet connection could
be wiped out by legal transmissions by existing licensed users.

what was anyone ever thinking to pay ma bell $100.00 a month for a home
and business line... a dedicated fax line etc.

it's crazy!


And do you think your power company will give away this Internet
connectivity for free?

at last! cheap high speed internet


In which your personal data gets broadcast over a wide area, not just
within a short distance from your existing home WiFi system.

HO HUM FOR VERIZONS FIBER OPTICS.. verizon has been furiously laying
fiber optics across the country... they shoulda saw this technology
coming.
all that money wasted


Fiber Optic systems neither create nor are susceptible to RF interference.

internet over the power grid should come in around 2.5 gb per second.

if you can plug in a lamp, you can get high speed internet.


Tell the utility companies and the manufacturers of BPL equipment to
come back when they've managed to repeal the laws of physics.


.... And as recently as June this year the FCC was demanding to know what
the utility co. in Manassas, VA was doing to solve the interference
problems caused by its BPL system.

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http://tinyurl.com/jw6cm
yes, i imagine its going to take some doing to get the bugs out

smart people will get it working right, there's too much money to be
had to can the idea.

the power company will dominate the communications industry
power company stock holders will say... "LETS DEVELOP THIS TECHNOLOGY,
let's charge what the market will bare."

http://tinyurl.com/jw6cm
more info on the technology

The FCC is Pushing to see this happen and soon.

Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 09/02/06 01:21 pm I wrote:

On 09/02/06 10:12 am sosessyithurts wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/hbspa

I've been reading up on the frenzy to pump the internet and HDTV
through the power lines. It's already been successfully done in
Virginia, and other test areas.

This technology is going to do away with phone lines and cable lines.

Now, are we going to have to slap an anti-trust suit on the power
company

AND IT'S ABOUT TIME THE IDIOTS PUSHED THE INTERNET THROUGH THE POWER
GRID


Many (most?) of the technologies for implementing BPL create intolerable
interference to existing radio communications services, including even
police and other emergency services. And your Internet connection could
be wiped out by legal transmissions by existing licensed users.

what was anyone ever thinking to pay ma bell $100.00 a month for a home
and business line... a dedicated fax line etc.

it's crazy!


And do you think your power company will give away this Internet
connectivity for free?

at last! cheap high speed internet


In which your personal data gets broadcast over a wide area, not just
within a short distance from your existing home WiFi system.

HO HUM FOR VERIZONS FIBER OPTICS.. verizon has been furiously laying
fiber optics across the country... they shoulda saw this technology
coming.
all that money wasted


Fiber Optic systems neither create nor are susceptible to RF interference.

internet over the power grid should come in around 2.5 gb per second.

if you can plug in a lamp, you can get high speed internet.


Tell the utility companies and the manufacturers of BPL equipment to
come back when they've managed to repeal the laws of physics.


... And as recently as June this year the FCC was demanding to know what
the utility co. in Manassas, VA was doing to solve the interference
problems caused by its BPL system.

Perce


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