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Life is just full of risks its important to keep them in perspective!
Driving is no doubt the easiest way to get killed or severly injured. more people die in the bathroom than anywhere else. be outside in the rain might get you exposed to radiation from chernobyle, the russian nuclear meltdown. staying inside you home can cause health troubles from lack of sun exposure, while being outside in the sun can get you skin cancer. so you cleaned up the home used professionals. buy a pricey hepa vacuumn, and work extra hard at keeping your home clean. at least it will look good. I am 49 when I was a kid my job was brooming the furnace ductwork, give it a good cleaning. all covered with asbestos. theres probably more in the existing envronment than what you introduced by stirring it up. really make a difference to your childs health! NEVER ALLOW THEM AROUND TOBACCO SMOKE! Its way more dangerous and still to prevelant. |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:54:05 -0400, mm
wrote: On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:58:00 GMT, Salmon Egg wrote: On 6/15/06 9:15 PM, in article , "mm" wrote: I believe that. It might be compared to the guano miners of Chile, who do or did go blind after a few years**. Yet millions of people walk by pigion doodoo on the sidewalk all the time without going blind. Okay, you hooked me. Why did they go blind? Because of stuff in the guano. I don't know what stuff. Do you have any reference for that? My brother. He's 7 years older than I and never wrong. He told me this 30 or 40 years ago. It's almost 5AM. If I can, tomorrow I'll look for a second source. Well I searched on blindness guano and didn't find anything. Are you telling me you know that it doesn't cause blindness? Or you know something about this? Maybe I got mixed up and it causes deafness. Maybe Pinochet somehow got all the webpages with this story removed? Although an easier technique would be to put something in the websearch engines to exclude certain results. That's why I used google and yahoo this time, and neither had anything (in the first 50 hits each.) I'd send a copy of this to my brother, but he doesn't have email. P&M Bill -- Ferme le Bush |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:24:36 -0400, Goedjn wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:20:41 -0400, mm wrote: On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:32:11 GMT, "Art" wrote: Lots of people use the term linoleum incorrectly and are referring to much more popular floor covering containing asbestos. Yes, I think the standard name around Baltimore is "vinyl linoleum". It didnt' take me long to learn that the word linoleum there only means that it comes in wide sheets, unlike vinyl tile that comes in 12" or 9" squares. However I don't think vinyl anything contains asbestos anymore. When did the OP's floor go in. There used to be something called asbestos tile, and I'm pretty sure that contained asbestos. That's really easy to identify. If you have tile that looks like vinyl, but it throws sparks when you try to drill through it with a hole-saw, it's probably VAT. Wow, amazing. |
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mm wrote:That blindness guano can occur saw it on tv recently.... The eye doc sad so you have been exposed to bats or whatever. Lady didnt know of the problem till that.... didnt go blind but it was possible |
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Ok now that's scaring me...... I would hope though that my family's
exposure would still be much much smaller than the housewives who were doing this (laundry) probably day in day out so they might as well have worked in the factories themselves. Has anyone else gone through the same i.e., remove asbestos accidentally and if yes how did they deal with it???? HL wrote: There are several consequences of asbestos exposure. Chronic interstitial lung disease generally requires prolonged exposure. Lung cancer (which typically occurs 15 or more years later) is dose related and has a strong (more than additiive) association with smoking. Mesothelioma can occur with short ( 1 - 2 year) exposures after an interval of 20 + years not peaking until 30 to 35 years after exposure. Housewives whose only contact with asbestos was laundering their spouses absestos contaminated work clothing have been afflicted. So "casual" indirect contact of this nature can cause disease. |
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You have already been given lots of good advice. Asbestos has been identified as a carcinogen when it is in a friable condition. The floor tiles and the cut back adhesive that held them are not basically friable (dust, powder, pulverized - flying in the air). They can become friable by grinding, sanding, etc. The duct asbestos was probably the paper thin type and it would again depend on what you did to it during the remodel. The basic precaution for any asbestos work is to keep it wet. By keeping it wet it does not become friable. I don't know what method(s) you did use during your remodel work, but I would not worry about anything unless you created a major friable circumstance. Even then, we must assume the dust has settled after 2 years. Wipe up any dust with a damp rag and a squirt bottle of water. There are testing agencies that will monitor the air in your space if you want to hire them. It is a small vacuum/fan with a filter disk and you would place several around various places in the house including the attic and basement. The filters are taken to a lab for analysis. If this would provide peace of mind, I think you should go ahead and contact a testing agency. During professional asbestos removal, the building is kept under negative pressure by use of very large vacuum(s) that draw the air through a filter. The building will be kept under negative pressure until the removal/disturbance is complete and until the filter readings test clear. ______________________________ Keep the whole world singing . . . . DanG (remove the sevens) "uz" wrote in message oups.com... Ok now that's scaring me...... I would hope though that my family's exposure would still be much much smaller than the housewives who were doing this (laundry) probably day in day out so they might as well have worked in the factories themselves. Has anyone else gone through the same i.e., remove asbestos accidentally and if yes how did they deal with it???? HL wrote: There are several consequences of asbestos exposure. Chronic interstitial lung disease generally requires prolonged exposure. Lung cancer (which typically occurs 15 or more years later) is dose related and has a strong (more than additiive) association with smoking. Mesothelioma can occur with short ( 1 - 2 year) exposures after an interval of 20 + years not peaking until 30 to 35 years after exposure. Housewives whose only contact with asbestos was laundering their spouses absestos contaminated work clothing have been afflicted. So "casual" indirect contact of this nature can cause disease. |
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 14:52:13 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote: wrote: mm wrote:That blindness guano can occur saw it on tv recently.... The eye doc sad so you have been exposed to bats or whatever. Lady didnt know of the problem till that.... didnt go blind but it was possible She must have gotten a lot less bat stuff than the ones who work 40-80 hours a week in guano (bat droppings) caves. So that makes it seem like my brother was right, so why does google not have anything about it. Is everything about it too old to be computerized? Google "histoplasmosis". Blindness isn't the only thing it can do to you. I'm sure. But I'm still more interested in the relationship between histo and blindness. Turns out there is ocular histoplasmosis. Too tired to hunt more, Bill, but it seems there is definitely a relationship between bats and blindness (LOL). I don't know if it is in the guano or not, but I only said "guano miners". I don't know why blindness and histoplasmosis give hits, and histoplasmosis and bats give hits, but guano and blindness doesn't. Maybe there are hits but they're too far down the list. Histo and blindness gave about 49,000 hits, but searching for all 3 gave only 262 hits. Here are 3: http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/DS/00517.html http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:9SeOjXjzGwIJ:www.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/DS/00517.html+histoplasmosis+blindness+guano&hl=en&gl =us&ct=clnk&cd=2&lr=lang_en|lang_iw|lang_es&client =firefox-a "In another, 14 healthy young college students developed histoplasmosis when they were exposed to bat guano in a cave in Nicaragua." http://www.unitedwildlife.com/AnimalsBats.html http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:iVpSDFlFB9cJ:www.unitedwildlife.com/AnimalsBats.html+histoplasmosis+blindness+guano&hl =en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&lr=lang_en|lang_iw|lang_es& client=firefox-a "Though bat guano has been sold as a fertilizer and can be useful in some situations, bat droppings are also a major breeding ground for histoplasmosis. Histoplasmosis is a fungus disease contracted through airborne spores in bat droppings. Histoplasmosis symptoms may be anything from a mild influenza to blood abnormalities and fever, or even death. An eye condition has been linked to the bat disease histoplasmosis and can lead to blindness in those who contract it. " and 6. Lenhart S. Recommendations for Protecting Workers from Histoplasma capsulatum Exposure During Bat Guano Removal from a Church's Attic. Appl Occup Environ Hyg 1994; 9:230-6. If they have to protect workers from it, ... |
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According to J. Clarke :
wrote: mm wrote:That blindness guano can occur saw it on tv recently.... The eye doc sad so you have been exposed to bats or whatever. Lady didnt know of the problem till that.... didnt go blind but it was possible Google "histoplasmosis". Blindness isn't the only thing it can do to you. One of the "house disaster" programs on TLC had a segment on a woman who bought a house (without an inspection) that turned out to have major things wrong with it, and enormous expense was required to fix it. One of the problems was a major bat infestation in the attic. According to the show, she visited an eye doctor who said "I can see histo scarring in your eyes, you've probably had contact with bat feces." -- Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them. |
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mm wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 14:52:13 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: wrote: mm wrote:That blindness guano can occur saw it on tv recently.... The eye doc sad so you have been exposed to bats or whatever. Lady didnt know of the problem till that.... didnt go blind but it was possible She must have gotten a lot less bat stuff than the ones who work 40-80 hours a week in guano (bat droppings) caves. So that makes it seem like my brother was right, so why does google not have anything about it. Is everything about it too old to be computerized? Google "histoplasmosis". Blindness isn't the only thing it can do to you. I'm sure. But I'm still more interested in the relationship between histo and blindness. Turns out there is ocular histoplasmosis. Too tired to hunt more, Bill, but it seems there is definitely a relationship between bats and blindness (LOL). I don't know if it is in the guano or not, but I only said "guano miners". I don't know why blindness and histoplasmosis give hits, and histoplasmosis and bats give hits, but guano and blindness doesn't. Maybe there are hits but they're too far down the list. Histo and blindness gave about 49,000 hits, but searching for all 3 gave only 262 hits. My impression is that blindness is an infrequently occurring outcome. Here are 3: http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/DS/00517.html http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:...d=2&lr=lang_en lang_iw|lang_es&client=firefox-a "In another, 14 healthy young college students developed histoplasmosis when they were exposed to bat guano in a cave in Nicaragua." http://www.unitedwildlife.com/AnimalsBats.html http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:...d=1&lr=lang_en lang_iw|lang_es&client=firefox-a "Though bat guano has been sold as a fertilizer and can be useful in some situations, bat droppings are also a major breeding ground for histoplasmosis. Histoplasmosis is a fungus disease contracted through airborne spores in bat droppings. Histoplasmosis symptoms may be anything from a mild influenza to blood abnormalities and fever, or even death. An eye condition has been linked to the bat disease histoplasmosis and can lead to blindness in those who contract it. " and 6. Lenhart S. Recommendations for Protecting Workers from Histoplasma capsulatum Exposure During Bat Guano Removal from a Church's Attic. Appl Occup Environ Hyg 1994; 9:230-6. If they have to protect workers from it, ... You have to protect workers from a lot of things. You have to protect them from sawdust these days, to take one example. -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |