I am building a woodshed, using 4 X 6 's as the super-structure. I
need a strong method of joining the posts together, and plan to use steel
straps T-shaped brackets, and L-shaped brackets at various places to join
some of the posts.


I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch
thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary
from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I
want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also
will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted
black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought
iron.

I can't find anywhere to puchase this type of product. Before posting here,
I have googled "post brackets", "angle brackets" , "construction
brackets" and many other similar descriptions, but I cannot find anywhere
near what I am looking for.

Yes, I know that I can make up drawings and go to a machine shop and have
some stuff made up, but I am sure it would be cheaper and save me some time
if I could find a source for these items.

Do any of you have any ideas of locating a source for what I am looking for
??

Thanks for any suggestions !!!

--James--

In a previous post James wrote...
I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch
thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary
from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I
want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also
will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted
black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought
iron.


To get this type of bracket in this thickness you will have to have them
custom made. I am not aware of any manufacturer who uses 3/16" material.

One note: if there is a Simpson Factory "fab shop" in your area, they can
also make custom brackets of the dimensions you need. however, I'm
guessing that a local steel fabricator can probably do the job cheaper.

--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com

and my comment would be why not use a simpson post cap? why 3/16"
thick? are you planning to store your wood on top of your woodshed or
in it?

"James" wrote in message
...



I am building a woodshed, using 4 X 6 's as the super-structure. I
need a strong method of joining the posts together, and plan to use steel
straps T-shaped brackets, and L-shaped brackets at various places to join
some of the posts.


I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch
thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would
vary
from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I
want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also
will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted
black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought
iron.

I can't find anywhere to puchase this type of product. Before posting
here,
I have googled "post brackets", "angle brackets" , "construction
brackets" and many other similar descriptions, but I cannot find
anywhere
near what I am looking for.

Yes, I know that I can make up drawings and go to a machine shop and have
some stuff made up, but I am sure it would be cheaper and save me some
time
if I could find a source for these items.

Do any of you have any ideas of locating a source for what I am looking
for
??

Thanks for any suggestions !!!

--James--

That's a simple job for your local neighborhood welding shop. They can even
apply an even more "rustic look" by hammering the material.

JTMcC.

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Phil Scott
Ideas are bullet proof.
"Bob Morrison" wrote in message
k.net...
In a previous post James wrote...
I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably
3/16 of an inch
thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the
lengths would vary
from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I
wish to use, I
want something that not only is more robust in terms of
strength, but also
will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they
come painted
black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will
look like wrought
iron.


To get this type of bracket in this thickness you will have
to have them
custom made. I am not aware of any manufacturer who uses
3/16" material.

One note: if there is a Simpson Factory "fab shop" in your
area, they can
also make custom brackets of the dimensions you need.
however, I'm
guessing that a local steel fabricator can probably do the
job cheaper.


Red Hat, or maybe its White Hat an industrial building supply
in san francisco has heavy steel brackets of all types. beam
to post supports in 3/16" steel, I dont recall if they had
supports for embedding posts that that thick... the mfgr who
made the beam and post brackets though probably makes post
embedment items.... call some local industrial building
supplies they probably have catalogues on such items.


Phil Scott


--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com

Phil, thank you and others for helpful replies. I will check on those
names.

I welcome further comments on this.


--James--

James wrote:
I am building a woodshed, using 4 X 6 's as the super-structure. I
need a strong method of joining the posts together, and plan to use steel
straps T-shaped brackets, and L-shaped brackets at various places to join
some of the posts.


I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch
thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary
from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I
want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also
will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted
black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought
iron.

I can't find anywhere to puchase this type of product. Before posting here,
I have googled "post brackets", "angle brackets" , "construction
brackets" and many other similar descriptions, but I cannot find anywhere
near what I am looking for.

Yes, I know that I can make up drawings and go to a machine shop and have
some stuff made up, but I am sure it would be cheaper and save me some time
if I could find a source for these items.

Do any of you have any ideas of locating a source for what I am looking for
??

Thanks for any suggestions !!!

--James--


Where are you at? I have a source for custom brackets like this. I know
exactly what you are talking about looking for them on line or local.
The simpson or USP architectural series or USP ornamental series will
cost you a lot more than having them made.

I would be willing to serve as your middle man for a few bucks over cost
if you provided drawings. Post your e-mail address or some way of
contacting you and we can discuss further. I have a picture of a custom
joist hanger I had made I can send you.

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James wrote:

I am building a woodshed, using 4 X 6 's as the super-structure. I
need a strong method of joining the posts together, and plan to use steel
straps T-shaped brackets, and L-shaped brackets at various places to join
some of the posts.


I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch
thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary
from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I
want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also
will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted
black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought
iron.

I can't find anywhere to puchase this type of product. Before posting here,
I have googled "post brackets", "angle brackets" , "construction
brackets" and many other similar descriptions, but I cannot find anywhere
near what I am looking for.

Yes, I know that I can make up drawings and go to a machine shop and have
some stuff made up, but I am sure it would be cheaper and save me some time
if I could find a source for these items.

Do any of you have any ideas of locating a source for what I am looking for
??

Thanks for any suggestions !!!

--James--




Do some searching for "TECO Timber".

http://www.clevelandsteel.com/divisi...nstruction.htm

Be prepared to have your checkbook extremely well prepared. As posted
alreay having these fasteners fabricated locally will likely be far more
cost effective (though still very expensive).

We have built several structures, though larger than a shed, and we have
either fab'd the pieces ourselves or had them fab'd at a local shop.
$30-$50+ per simple connection would not be uncommon. And dont forget
the fasteners that will follow. It would not be uncommon to spend a
couple hundred dollars in lags/rod/nuts/etc. to put these connectors
together.

Perhaps you have a desire to learn metal fabrication as a hobby. A
cutting rig, small welder, and small hyd. brake may cost $1000.00. A
small drill press for $250.00. Add a sheet of 3/16 plate at $300.00 and
you could make the connectors yourself for $1500.00 but you'd have all
the gear to boot!!

Mark

Phil Scott wrote:
--
Phil Scott
Ideas are bullet proof.
"Bob Morrison" wrote in message
k.net...
In a previous post James wrote...
I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably
3/16 of an inch
thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the
lengths would vary
from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I
wish to use, I
want something that not only is more robust in terms of
strength, but also
will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they
come painted
black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will
look like wrought
iron.


To get this type of bracket in this thickness you will have
to have them
custom made. I am not aware of any manufacturer who uses
3/16" material.

One note: if there is a Simpson Factory "fab shop" in your
area, they can
also make custom brackets of the dimensions you need.
however, I'm
guessing that a local steel fabricator can probably do the
job cheaper.


Red Hat, or maybe its White Hat an industrial building supply
in san francisco has heavy steel brackets of all types. beam
to post supports in 3/16" steel, I dont recall if they had
supports for embedding posts that that thick... the mfgr who
made the beam and post brackets though probably makes post
embedment items.... call some local industrial building
supplies they probably have catalogues on such items.


Phil Scott


--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com



That would be WhiteCap I believe

cheers
Bob

James wrote:
I am building a woodshed, using 4 X 6 's as the super-structure. I
need a strong method of joining the posts together, and plan to use steel
straps T-shaped brackets, and L-shaped brackets at various places to join
some of the posts.


I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch
thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary
from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I
want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also
will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted
black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought
iron.

I can't find anywhere to puchase this type of product. Before posting here,
I have googled "post brackets", "angle brackets" , "construction
brackets" and many other similar descriptions, but I cannot find anywhere
near what I am looking for.

Yes, I know that I can make up drawings and go to a machine shop and have
some stuff made up, but I am sure it would be cheaper and save me some time
if I could find a source for these items.

Do any of you have any ideas of locating a source for what I am looking for
??

Thanks for any suggestions !!!

--James--


Simpson has a line

http://www.strongtie.com/products/apg/index.html


check them out

they're 7 gage thickess ~.180 but only 2.5" wide

I'd take a look at them before fab' ing custom.

cheers
Bob

--
Phil Scott
Ideas are bullet proof.
"Bobk207" wrote in message
ups.com...

Phil Scott wrote:
--
Phil Scott
Ideas are bullet proof.
"Bob Morrison" wrote in message
k.net...
In a previous post James wrote...
I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps,
probably
3/16 of an inch
thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the
lengths would vary
from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not
what I
wish to use, I
want something that not only is more robust in terms of
strength, but also
will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless
they
come painted
black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will
look like wrought
iron.


To get this type of bracket in this thickness you will
have
to have them
custom made. I am not aware of any manufacturer who uses
3/16" material.

One note: if there is a Simpson Factory "fab shop" in
your
area, they can
also make custom brackets of the dimensions you need.
however, I'm
guessing that a local steel fabricator can probably do
the
job cheaper.


Red Hat, or maybe its White Hat an industrial building
supply
in san francisco has heavy steel brackets of all types.
beam
to post supports in 3/16" steel, I dont recall if they had
supports for embedding posts that that thick... the mfgr
who
made the beam and post brackets though probably makes post
embedment items.... call some local industrial building
supplies they probably have catalogues on such items.


Phil Scott


--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com



That would be WhiteCap I believe

OK ok...if you had been dropped on your head as a small child
you would have a few glitches too.

I ran into those guys when I was doing a houseboat deck for a
guy in the Marina by Pac Bell park in SF....welded aluminum
frame, with nautical cabling, and tapered yellow ballou planks
laid out in a fan shape... it got rave reviews.


Phil Scott


cheers
Bob

M&S wrote:
James wrote:

I am building a woodshed, using 4 X 6 's as the super-structure. I
need a strong method of joining the posts together, and plan to use steel
straps T-shaped brackets, and L-shaped brackets at various places to
join
some of the posts.


I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch
thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would
vary
from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to
use, I
want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but
also
will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted
black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought
iron.

I can't find anywhere to puchase this type of product. Before posting
here,
I have googled "post brackets", "angle brackets" , "construction
brackets" and many other similar descriptions, but I cannot find
anywhere
near what I am looking for.

Yes, I know that I can make up drawings and go to a machine shop and have
some stuff made up, but I am sure it would be cheaper and save me some
time
if I could find a source for these items.

Do any of you have any ideas of locating a source for what I am
looking for
??

Thanks for any suggestions !!!

--James--




Do some searching for "TECO Timber".

http://www.clevelandsteel.com/divisi...nstruction.htm

Be prepared to have your checkbook extremely well prepared. As posted
alreay having these fasteners fabricated locally will likely be far more
cost effective (though still very expensive).

We have built several structures, though larger than a shed, and we have
either fab'd the pieces ourselves or had them fab'd at a local shop.
$30-$50+ per simple connection would not be uncommon. And dont forget
the fasteners that will follow. It would not be uncommon to spend a
couple hundred dollars in lags/rod/nuts/etc. to put these connectors
together.

Perhaps you have a desire to learn metal fabrication as a hobby. A
cutting rig, small welder, and small hyd. brake may cost $1000.00. A
small drill press for $250.00. Add a sheet of 3/16 plate at $300.00 and
you could make the connectors yourself for $1500.00 but you'd have all
the gear to boot!!

Mark

Check these custom brackets out - http://tinyurl.com/z9lwh
They cost $7 including primer. Not too bad.

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No wrote:

Check these custom brackets out - http://tinyurl.com/z9lwh
They cost $7 including primer. Not too bad.

From where?

Thanks for all the very helpful replies. Bob, thanks, and I am looking at
those Simpson products, and have emailed them for prices and catalogs.


M&S posted a picture of a bracket line that I would LOVE to review, but
not a hint of who makes it or where you found it. M&S, could you provide
more info on those nice brakets please ??

Again, that you ALL for the nice replies !!!

--james--

James wrote:

Thanks for all the very helpful replies. Bob, thanks, and I am looking at
those Simpson products, and have emailed them for prices and catalogs.


M&S posted a picture of a bracket line that I would LOVE to review, but
not a hint of who makes it or where you found it. M&S, could you provide
more info on those nice brakets please ??

Again, that you ALL for the nice replies !!!

--james--



Actually, I didnt post the pic of the bracket. "No" posted that pic. I
also posted a response asking where those were available for $7.00. I
have a feeling $7.00 is what the material (and primer) cost No to make
that bracket but its just a guess. There is far from $7.00 worth of
steel and paint in that bracket but you would need a welder, saw,
grinder, and drill press to fab those yourself hehe. If you were to
amortize the cost of that equipment out over say, a couple hundred, of
those brackets they may cost $7.00/ea.

I would however guess you could find a local shop to make brackets,
hangers, and bases, similar to that using stock (cheap) angle for less
than you imagine. Its worth a couple phone calls.

Mark

Ok Mark, thanks !!!


--james--

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:12:00 -0400, "James"
wrote:

Phil, thank you and others for helpful replies. I will check on those
names.

I welcome further comments on this.



I can't help wondering why you're using metal connectors,
when it sounds like you're building a timber-frame building.
Why not go with pegged mortice and tennon?

The reason why I am using metal connectors is that I like them.


--James--