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I just bought an LG 8000 BTU window air conditioner, model LWHD8000RY6.
The unit has a digital thermostat, which on its lowest setting displays 60 degrees. However, it is not possible even on this lowest setting to get the machine to put out cold air below about 69 degrees. Note I do not mean the machine does not have the capacity to cool the space (a bedroom of about 175 sq') below 69 degrees, but rather, the thermostat shuts the compressor off at 69, even when it is set at "60". I tried moving the electronic temp sensor (thermistor?) from the front of the evaporator to a position out in the room, thinking this spot would be warmer & therefore the unit would run longer. This dropped the room temp about 2 degrees further, to around 67. My wife & I would prefer about 65, if not lower, for sleeping. Again, this is not a case of the unit lacking the cooling capacity to reach lower temps, the thermostat just won't turn the compressor on any lower. So I am wondering if there is generally a way of adjusting these digital thermostats (I had a similar issue with a unit having an old style mechanical thermostat, the type which can be adjusted be varying the spring tension on the thermostat, tweaking this I was able to get the unit to attain a lower temp). Perhaps there's a trimmer pot on this electronic thermostat which can be tweaked? As a second option, maybe I could connect a wall mount thermostat of the type used on a central air unit, which would be more accurate. Does anyone know if this can be done? I'm guessing the thermostat on a window unit directly turns the compressor on and off, and therefore has the current switching capacity required for this, while a wall mount type for a central unit probably signals a central control board on the furnace/ac, which has a relay that does the actual switching. Is this the case? I could probably set up a relay, still we're beginning to get to the point of a lot a screwing around by that time. Anyone have any ideas? TIA Dan |
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Dan wrote:
As a second option, maybe I could connect a wall mount thermostat of the type used on a central air unit, which would be more accurate. Does anyone know if this can be done? I'm guessing the thermostat on a window unit directly turns the compressor on and off, and therefore has the current switching capacity required for this, while a wall mount type for a central unit probably signals a central control board on the furnace/ac, which has a relay that does the actual switching. Is this the case? I could probably set up a relay, still we're beginning to get to the point of a lot a screwing around by that time. Anyone have any ideas? I also have an LG air conditioner with digital controls and would like to do the same. Mine is a rather large and expensive unit, so I am reluctant to butcher it or risk damaging it. I am curious as to what type of component the temperature sensor is. If the temperature sensor for the digital controls is a thermistor then it would be easy to make a circuit involving a central AC thermostat (you would need a stat that uses a relay output instead of a triac) and a couple of resistors to emulate the sensor indicating a high temperature or a low temperature to manually control the compressor. If the sensor is some sort of temperature sensitive transistor, it would be a bit tougher to design a similar circuit. If it's a thermocouple, it is even worse. If you were to do something like this you would have to beware of evaporator coil freeze up, especially at the temperature you wish to run the unit at, since the temperature sensor is no longer in front of the coil. Evaporator coil freezup can easily ruin the compressor. Eric |
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Are you sure it's not shutting down for another reason, like
condensation or restricted airflow? Dan wrote: I just bought an LG 8000 BTU window air conditioner, model LWHD8000RY6. The unit has a digital thermostat, which on its lowest setting displays 60 degrees. However, it is not possible even on this lowest setting to get the machine to put out cold air below about 69 degrees. Note I do not mean the machine does not have the capacity to cool the space (a bedroom of about 175 sq') below 69 degrees, but rather, the thermostat shuts the compressor off at 69, even when it is set at "60". |
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Mike Berger wrote:
Are you sure it's not shutting down for another reason, like condensation or restricted airflow? Yes, it's the thermostat. After I pulled the sensor from the front of the evaporator, holding it in my hand momentarily warms it enough to get the compressor to kick in. Dan |
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Ken Weitzel wrote:
Hi Dan... I suspect you and your wife might like a 5 or 10 watt ceramic resistor with a half amp or so at 12 volts better than a light bulb A power resistor is a great idea! Why didn't I think of that!?! However, I respectfully suggest that perhaps you and Eric are asking more of a home cooling unit than it was designed for and intended to do. Think perhaps you guys liking to sleep at 65 degrees F are in a real minority. Not to mention the cost on your hydro bill Hydro bill shmydro bill ;-) I don't doubt you're correct about our preference for low temps. We open the bedroom windows in February! Honestly though, I have met others who also like sleeping in the cold. I have been able to attain the desired temps with other 8kbtu window units in another bedroom in a climate with a much higher heat load applied; hotter weather, higher humidity, less insulation, less shade, etc. I think the unit is capable of what I want, the thermostat just doesn't think so ;-) My car has auto climate control. Switched to "US" mode, the auto temp will drop degree by degree, until it suddenly jumps to 50F. I'd assumed that meant that it would run virtually forever, or until it reached 50 if ever. Not so, just tried it. Something else shuts it down long before it gets that cold. Probably the same thing, the thermostat is killing the car's AC compressor clutch before it gets to the indicated temp. I didn't really expect the "degrees" indicated by the unit's digital readout to be all that accurate, but if they have a scale going down to 60, I really do think the damn thing ought to be capable of more than 69 when used in a space of the size etc. indicated by the btu output. Just my 2 cents, FWIW Take care. Ken |
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Dan wrote:
I just bought an LG 8000 BTU window air conditioner, model LWHD8000RY6. The unit has a digital thermostat, which on its lowest setting displays 60 degrees. However, it is not possible even on this lowest setting to get the machine to put out cold air below about 69 degrees. Note I do not mean the machine does not have the capacity to cool the space (a bedroom of about 175 sq') below 69 degrees, but rather, the thermostat shuts the compressor off at 69, even when it is set at "60". I tried moving the electronic temp sensor (thermistor?) from the front of the evaporator to a position out in the room, thinking this spot would be warmer & therefore the unit would run longer. This dropped the room temp about 2 degrees further, to around 67. My wife & I would prefer about 65, if not lower, for sleeping. Again, this is not a case of the unit lacking the cooling capacity to reach lower temps, the thermostat just won't turn the compressor on any lower. So I am wondering if there is generally a way of adjusting these digital thermostats (I had a similar issue with a unit having an old style mechanical thermostat, the type which can be adjusted be varying the spring tension on the thermostat, tweaking this I was able to get the unit to attain a lower temp). Perhaps there's a trimmer pot on this electronic thermostat which can be tweaked? As a second option, maybe I could connect a wall mount thermostat of the type used on a central air unit, which would be more accurate. Does anyone know if this can be done? I'm guessing the thermostat on a window unit directly turns the compressor on and off, and therefore has the current switching capacity required for this, while a wall mount type for a central unit probably signals a central control board on the furnace/ac, which has a relay that does the actual switching. Is this the case? I could probably set up a relay, still we're beginning to get to the point of a lot a screwing around by that time. Anyone have any ideas? If I may venture a stupid question, are you sure that the thing isn't simply defective? TIA Dan -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Dan wrote:
I just bought an LG 8000 BTU window air conditioner, model LWHD8000RY6. The unit has a digital thermostat, which on its lowest setting displays 60 degrees. However, it is not possible even on this lowest setting to get the machine to put out cold air below about 69 degrees. Note I do not mean the machine does not have the capacity to cool the space (a bedroom of about 175 sq') below 69 degrees, but rather, the thermostat shuts the compressor off at 69, even when it is set at "60". I tried moving the electronic temp sensor (thermistor?) from the front of the evaporator to a position out in the room, thinking this spot would be warmer & therefore the unit would run longer. This dropped the room temp about 2 degrees further, to around 67. My wife & I would prefer about 65, if not lower, for sleeping. Again, this is not a case of the unit lacking the cooling capacity to reach lower temps, the thermostat just won't turn the compressor on any lower. So I am wondering if there is generally a way of adjusting these digital thermostats (I had a similar issue with a unit having an old style mechanical thermostat, the type which can be adjusted be varying the spring tension on the thermostat, tweaking this I was able to get the unit to attain a lower temp). Perhaps there's a trimmer pot on this electronic thermostat which can be tweaked? As a second option, maybe I could connect a wall mount thermostat of the type used on a central air unit, which would be more accurate. Does anyone know if this can be done? I'm guessing the thermostat on a window unit directly turns the compressor on and off, and therefore has the current switching capacity required for this, while a wall mount type for a central unit probably signals a central control board on the furnace/ac, which has a relay that does the actual switching. Is this the case? I could probably set up a relay, still we're beginning to get to the point of a lot a screwing around by that time. Anyone have any ideas? TIA Dan I'd be thinking of a pot in parallel or series with the thermistor. Assuming you dont want to open up the controller to find adjustments. -- Regards ......... Rheilly Phoull |
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On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:28:55 -0700, Dan wrote:
I just bought an LG 8000 BTU window air conditioner, model LWHD8000RY6. The unit has a digital thermostat, which on its lowest setting displays 60 degrees. However, it is not possible even on this lowest setting to get the machine to put out cold air below about 69 degrees. I suspect they are limiting it to 69 in order to save energy (probably an EPA regulation). The simplest solution would be to buy an A/C with an analog thermostat. It's probably possible to modify the digital thermostat, but you'd have to figure out how by tracking the circuit and looking for data sheets for any ICs. It's probably custom to that A/C and it will be impossible to find a schematic. It might be as simple as a jumper to switch it to non-EPA mode, or you might have to modify the temperature sensor circuit. If you modify the temperature sensor, you'd have to live with an inaccurate temp display (eg. it still shuts off when it thinks it's 69, but it's actually 65). Andy Cuffe |
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Rheilly Phoull wrote:
I'd be thinking of a pot in parallel or series with the thermistor. Assuming you dont want to open up the controller to find adjustments. I thought of that as well, easy enough to check but at the moment I'm not sure it IS a thermistor... Dan |
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In article , Dan wrote:
Rheilly Phoull wrote: I'd be thinking of a pot in parallel or series with the thermistor. Assuming you dont want to open up the controller to find adjustments. I thought of that as well, easy enough to check but at the moment I'm not sure it IS a thermistor... Round bulb in center of evaporator? I'm just listening. I am going to try and set mine to below the mark tonight. Mine just has a 9.7 rating.?? greg |
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Dan wrote:
Rheilly Phoull wrote: I'd be thinking of a pot in parallel or series with the thermistor. Assuming you dont want to open up the controller to find adjustments. I thought of that as well, easy enough to check but at the moment I'm not sure it IS a thermistor... Dan my 5K gold star window air: bg5200er limited schem on top of black plastic control box) sensor - thermistor(non polar) in black epoxy glob: oF ohms 212 = 1.2k finger(98) = 6.6k warm room(82) = 7.8k 32 = 26k negative factor (hotter = lower resistance) draw a linear chart, see if my numbers are on the line use ohms law have fun -larry / dallas BTW- if anyone trashes one of these, I would like to buy your circuit board and keyboard/display. I have a GE I want to teach new tricks ;-) |
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larry wrote:
my 5K gold star window air: bg5200er limited schem on top of black plastic control box) sensor - thermistor(non polar) in black epoxy glob: oF ohms 212 = 1.2k finger(98) = 6.6k warm room(82) = 7.8k 32 = 26k negative factor (hotter = lower resistance) draw a linear chart, see if my numbers are on the line use ohms law have fun -larry / dallas BTW- if anyone trashes one of these, I would like to buy your circuit board and keyboard/display. I have a GE I want to teach new tricks ;-) Thanks Larry, very interesting info. If the sensor in mine also turns out to be a thermistor (a likelihood) it really simplifies tweaking. In the case of your figures, you could fool the thermostat into thinking it was 98 when it was actually 82 by shunting the thermistor with 42,900 ohms. Since the range of actual thermistor values over real room temperatures would be fairly narrow, something along these lines would probably be safe (only down side is the temp readout would be wrong, but since it is anyway (says 60 when it's 69) no loss there). Also very easy/cheap to implement. Dan |
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Dan wrote: larry wrote: my 5K gold star window air: bg5200er limited schem on top of black plastic control box) sensor - thermistor(non polar) in black epoxy glob: oF ohms 212 = 1.2k finger(98) = 6.6k warm room(82) = 7.8k 32 = 26k negative factor (hotter = lower resistance) draw a linear chart, see if my numbers are on the line use ohms law have fun -larry / dallas BTW- if anyone trashes one of these, I would like to buy your circuit board and keyboard/display. I have a GE I want to teach new tricks ;-) Thanks Larry, very interesting info. If the sensor in mine also turns out to be a thermistor (a likelihood) it really simplifies tweaking. In the case of your figures, you could fool the thermostat into thinking it was 98 when it was actually 82 by shunting the thermistor with 42,900 ohms. Since the range of actual thermistor values over real room temperatures would be fairly narrow, something along these lines would probably be safe (only down side is the temp readout would be wrong, but since it is anyway (says 60 when it's 69) no loss there). Also very easy/cheap to implement. Dan Hi Dan... With all this great info, seems you can't go wrong! Another suggestion might be to consider using perhaps a 100k variable rather than a fixed resistor. A bit of tweaking might let you make the readout "wrong" by 10 degrees F, so that for instance you could more understandably have 65 degrees read 75, etc. Take care. Ken |
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Ken Weitzel wrote:
Thanks Larry, very interesting info. If the sensor in mine also turns out to be a thermistor (a likelihood) it really simplifies tweaking. In the case of your figures, you could fool the thermostat into thinking it was 98 when it was actually 82 by shunting the thermistor with 42,900 ohms. Since the range of actual thermistor values over real room temperatures would be fairly narrow, something along these lines would probably be safe (only down side is the temp readout would be wrong, but since it is anyway (says 60 when it's 69) no loss there). Also very easy/cheap to implement. Dan Hi Dan... With all this great info, seems you can't go wrong! Another suggestion might be to consider using perhaps a 100k variable rather than a fixed resistor. A bit of tweaking might let you make the readout "wrong" by 10 degrees F, so that for instance you could more understandably have 65 degrees read 75, etc. Take care. Ken I agree a pot is the way to go, after calculating a ballpark figure. Thanks! Dan |
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Dan wrote: I just bought an LG 8000 BTU window air conditioner, model LWHD8000RY6. The unit has a digital thermostat, which on its lowest setting displays 60 degrees. However, it is not possible even on this lowest setting to get the machine to put out cold air below about 69 degrees. Note I do not mean the machine does not have the capacity to cool the space (a bedroom of about 175 sq') below 69 degrees, but rather, the thermostat shuts the compressor off at 69, even when it is set at "60". I tried moving the electronic temp sensor (thermistor?) from the front of the evaporator to a position out in the room, thinking this spot would be warmer & therefore the unit would run longer. This dropped the room temp about 2 degrees further, to around 67. My wife & I would prefer about 65, if not lower, for sleeping. Again, this is not a case of the unit lacking the cooling capacity to reach lower temps, the thermostat just won't turn the compressor on any lower. So I am wondering if there is generally a way of adjusting these digital thermostats (I had a similar issue with a unit having an old style mechanical thermostat, the type which can be adjusted be varying the spring tension on the thermostat, tweaking this I was able to get the unit to attain a lower temp). Perhaps there's a trimmer pot on this electronic thermostat which can be tweaked? As a second option, maybe I could connect a wall mount thermostat of the type used on a central air unit, which would be more accurate. Does anyone know if this can be done? I'm guessing the thermostat on a window unit directly turns the compressor on and off, and therefore has the current switching capacity required for this, while a wall mount type for a central unit probably signals a central control board on the furnace/ac, which has a relay that does the actual switching. Is this the case? I could probably set up a relay, still we're beginning to get to the point of a lot a screwing around by that time. Anyone have any ideas? I didn't note the model # but I just bought an 8000 BTU at The Home Depot. I tested it and it goes to 60 deg. I put a thermometer near the sensor. gs |
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replying to Dan, Connie wrote:
How do u do this. Mine does the exact same thing and it used to go lower than 69. -- posted from http://www.homeownershub.com/mainten...di-116541-.htm |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 18:44:02 +0000, Connie
wrote: How do u do this. Mine does the exact same thing and it used to go lower than 69. 77 is better than 69. You get 8 more. |
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Connie wrote:
replying to Dan, Connie wrote: How do u do this. Mine does the exact same thing and it used to go lower than 69. The internal temperature sensor (a thermistor) might be defective. If you aren't electrically or electronically savvy, I'd suggest that you call an A/C service company or remove the unit from the window and take it to a service shop. If you can handle an electronic repair, You should download the service manual from http://www.manualslib.com/products/L...ry6-57469.html. The service manual contains the full schematic of the unit, complete with parts list of replacement parts. Dave M |
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Don't assume this is an electronic problem. You haven't gathered all the data.
What is the entering air temperature to the coil? What is the discharge temperature? What is the delta T? There are more measurements you should take but those two are the steps you can't skip. |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 18:44:02 +0000, Connie
wrote: replying to Dan, Connie wrote: How do u do this. Mine does the exact same thing and it used to go lower than 69. 10 years ago... |
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replying to Dan, Twai wrote:
My lg lw2510window AC compressor don't shut off. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...di-116541-.htm |
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On 7/18/2017 4:44 AM, Twai wrote:
replying to Dan, Twai wrote: My lg lw2510window AC compressor don't shut off. That's nice. |
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On 7/18/2017 5:24 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/18/2017 4:44 AM, Twai wrote: replying to Dan, Twai wrote: My lg lw2510window AC compressor don't shut off. That's nice. No, its the cause of global warming. Al Gore will be at his house tomorrow to kick his ass. |
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On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 8:10:07 AM UTC-4, TimR wrote:
Don't assume this is an electronic problem. You haven't gathered all the data. What is the entering air temperature to the coil? What is the discharge temperature? What is the delta T? There are more measurements you should take but those two are the steps you can't skip. DeltaT Good times. |
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On 7/18/2017 6:06 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/18/2017 5:24 PM, Bob F wrote: On 7/18/2017 4:44 AM, Twai wrote: replying to Dan, Twai wrote: My lg lw2510window AC compressor don't shut off. That's nice. No, its the cause of global warming. Al Gore will be at his house tomorrow to kick his ass. I went down to Miami and saw fish from the ocean swimming in the streets on a sunny day. The same thing was true in Honolulu just two days ago, just from high tides because of the sea level rise now, Gore said in the interview. |
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Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us...
On 7/18/2017 5:24 PM, Bob F wrote: On 7/18/2017 4:44 AM, Twai wrote: replying to Dan, Twai wrote: My lg lw2510window AC compressor don't shut off. That's nice. No, its the cause of global warming. Al Gore will be at his house tomorrow to kick his ass. Yeah, he will fly in and then have a parade to the house to pull the plug. Just ignore that carbon footprint... -- Tekkie |
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My 2 Cents posted for all of us...
On 7/18/2017 6:06 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 7/18/2017 5:24 PM, Bob F wrote: On 7/18/2017 4:44 AM, Twai wrote: replying to Dan, Twai wrote: My lg lw2510window AC compressor don't shut off. That's nice. No, its the cause of global warming. Al Gore will be at his house tomorrow to kick his ass. I went down to Miami and saw fish from the ocean swimming in the streets on a sunny day. The same thing was true in Honolulu just two days ago, just from high tides because of the sea level rise now,? Gore said in the interview. They weren't really fish. Just scales falling off his private area because of all his fishy ideas. -- Tekkie |
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replying to Dan, Ryan wrote:
I am having the same issue with a brand new wall unit. At least my room temp goes down to about 65/66 when set at 60. But this is very annoying that these are all calibrated wrong! Do they do this on purpose to appease the global warming cults or something? -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...di-116541-.htm |
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On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 8:44:10 PM UTC-4, Ryan wrote:
replying to Dan, Ryan wrote: I am having the same issue with a brand new wall unit. At least my room temp goes down to about 65/66 when set at 60. But this is very annoying that these are all calibrated wrong! Do they do this on purpose to appease the global warming cults or something? -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...di-116541-.htm IDK, but 65 is way to cold for me. I have the AC set at about 76. Sometimes a couple degrees lower temporarily if needed to get it to run enough to take the humidity out. Is it cycling at 65 or running constantly and unable to go any lower? Depending on the ambient conditions, maybe it just can't go any lower. And where are you measuring the temperature? It could be substantially lower at the AC compared to elsewhere in the room. |
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replying to Ryan, RION wrote:
Well, here it is 2018, and I am having a similar problem with an 8,000 BTU window ac. I guess I should feel luck that mine does go down to 65.7 F. The problem here is that I bought this to cool a wine cellar. The ac unit is in a fake window between two parts of my basement. The wine cellar part is well insulated, but you can't get 60 F (the temperature I really desire) if the calibration on the thermistor is wrong. I am getting ready to use a fixed resistor along with a pot, and hope I get lucky. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...c-1144161-.htm |
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On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 7:14:05 PM UTC-4, RION wrote:
replying to Ryan, RION wrote: Well, here it is 2018, and I am having a similar problem with an 8,000 BTU window ac. I guess I should feel luck that mine does go down to 65.7 F. The problem here is that I bought this to cool a wine cellar. The ac unit is in a fake window between two parts of my basement. The wine cellar part is well insulated, but you can't get 60 F (the temperature I really desire) if the calibration on the thermistor is wrong. I am getting ready to use a fixed resistor along with a pot, and hope I get lucky. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...c-1144161-.htm IDK see why you'd need a resistor and a pot. And are you saying you're just going to use those or use them in conjunction with the thermistor? Without the thermistor it won't work. It would seem a pot and the thermistor would do to tweek it. Have you been able to measure the resistance of the thermistor, see what it is? Many of them are 10K ones, you can find them, 10 for $2 maybe on Ebay and there are curves online. Or if it's 10K, then a 1K pot in series should work to tweak it. |
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