We live in rural western NY state and in this particular area the well water
is very rusty. We have a Culligan water softener, which came with the house,
I'm assuming it's doing it's job, but the water is still very rusty. Is
there a whole house filter of some sort that I can add to the pipe coming in
from the well that would trap this rust before it gets through to the rest
of the house? The water tasts great, there is plenty of it, and it doesn't
smell, which we're thankful for, but this rust is all over the inside of the
shower, toilet etc. I'm afraid to think of what it's doing to the inside of
the pipes and the washing machine.What kind of equipment do I need to fix
this problem?

Thanks.
Snyde

"Snydley" wrote in message
...
We live in rural western NY state and in this particular area the well
water
is very rusty. We have a Culligan water softener, which came with the
house,
I'm assuming it's doing it's job, but the water is still very rusty. Is
there a whole house filter of some sort that I can add to the pipe coming
in
from the well that would trap this rust before it gets through to the rest
of the house? The water tasts great, there is plenty of it, and it doesn't
smell, which we're thankful for, but this rust is all over the inside of
the
shower, toilet etc. I'm afraid to think of what it's doing to the inside
of
the pipes and the washing machine.What kind of equipment do I need to fix
this problem?

I use a whole house filter with a fine mesh insert. It should be before the
softener.

Snydley wrote:
We live in rural western NY state and in this particular area the well water
is very rusty. We have a Culligan water softener, which came with the house,
I'm assuming it's doing it's job, but the water is still very rusty. Is
there a whole house filter of some sort that I can add to the pipe coming in
from the well that would trap this rust before it gets through to the rest
of the house? The water tasts great, there is plenty of it, and it doesn't
smell, which we're thankful for, but this rust is all over the inside of the
shower, toilet etc. I'm afraid to think of what it's doing to the inside of
the pipes and the washing machine.What kind of equipment do I need to fix
this problem?

Thanks.
Snyde

iron is not easy to remove. there are iron filters advertised. i'm
not sure how well they work. i do know that iron can foul the resin
bed in your softener. i lived in a place with iron in the water, and i
had to periodically dump super iron out in the tank. also used "system
saver" salt. i'd call your local culligan guy and see what they say.

Snydley wrote:
We live in rural western NY state and in this particular area the
well water is very rusty. We have a Culligan water softener, which
came with the house, I'm assuming it's doing it's job, but the water
is still very rusty. Is there a whole house filter of some sort that
I can add to the pipe coming in from the well that would trap this
rust before it gets through to the rest of the house? The water tasts
great, there is plenty of it, and it doesn't smell, which we're
thankful for, but this rust is all over the inside of the shower,
toilet etc. I'm afraid to think of what it's doing to the inside of
the pipes and the washing machine.What kind of equipment do I need to
fix this problem?

It depends on the type of iron in your water. It is possible that you are
getting particles of iron oxide (ferrous iron) from the casing or pipes
which could be removed by filtering.

However, it is more likely that you have ferric iron - it is dissolved in
the water and is colorless until it turns to ferrous iron upon exposure to
the air. There are systems similar to water softeners to remove ferric
iron...IIRC, they depend on potassium permanganate.


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"Snydley" wrote in message
...
We live in rural western NY state and in this particular area the well
water
is very rusty. We have a Culligan water softener, which came with the
house,
I'm assuming it's doing it's job, but the water is still very rusty. Is
there a whole house filter of some sort that I can add to the pipe coming
in
from the well that would trap this rust before it gets through to the rest
of the house? The water tasts great, there is plenty of it, and it doesn't
smell, which we're thankful for, but this rust is all over the inside of
the
shower, toilet etc. I'm afraid to think of what it's doing to the inside
of
the pipes and the washing machine.What kind of equipment do I need to fix
this problem?

first of all, be sure it is "rust", and not something else like fine silt
that looks like rust. Ask your neighbors what it is and what they do. Be
prepared for a lot of different answers, and be skeptical. then ask a
couple local water contractors. Be prepared for a lot of pricey answers,
and be skeptical.

And, most important, post your findings and results later on.

I had the same problem with excessive rust despite softening, to the
point we couldn't even drink the water. I had to install (well, I
didn't do it personally) a potassium permanganate unit. It looks like,
and takes up about the same amount of space as, a water softener.
Instead of a tank with salt, it has a tank about 1/4 the size to which
the potassium permanganate is added. It works very well and is
actually less hassle than the water softener, since the potassium
permanganate comes in a handy little bottle rather than gigantic, heavy
bags, like salt. It cost me a little over $300 to buy and have it
installed, and looks like a simple installation (i.e., someone more
knowledgeable than I might be able to do it without hiring a pro).
Note skull and crossbones all over the bottle of potassium permanganate
and keep in a safe place.

Jo Ann

You can pick up filters like this almost anywhere. Might work, might
not, but probably worth the price to find out. Other companies make
similar filters and advertise "rust" as something they take out.

http://www.omnifilters.com/u25_filter.htm

These are all easy to install.

None are recommended for well water because it isn't clorinated, but oh
well.

Carbon filters work pretty well, but are short lived, so on my mother's
house we put two filtering in series. The first one used a paper
cartridge to take out the big stuff and the second was carbon to take
out everything else.

I have also been told that if you clorinate your water before you
soften it, the clorine is so reactive that it will bond with almost
everything and become a molecule that the softener can take out with
the iron. But I've never done it.

Well as has been mentioed before, you say "rust" I'll say "red", OK? I
live in Oklahoma where are earth is often a nice red color. My well water
is from a shallow well and has a lot of red silt in it. When I first set up
my water system I went to Sears and bought a Kenmore Solid State Automatic
Clarifying Filter I know they are not cheap as I check today they cost $650.
The problem I have with out this is that I get a fine silt in the toilet
shut off valves and the stains through out the house are a real bear to deal
with. This filter is almost maintance free as it recycles itself once a
week and so I never have to worry about it. The only problem I ran into was
when a tornadoe took out my pump house with the pump, it and my water
softner with it but of course you can't blame Sears for that. If I were you
and could afford it this is the route I would go. Hope this helps Randy


"Snydley" wrote in message
...
We live in rural western NY state and in this particular area the well
water
is very rusty. We have a Culligan water softener, which came with the
house,
I'm assuming it's doing it's job, but the water is still very rusty. Is
there a whole house filter of some sort that I can add to the pipe coming
in
from the well that would trap this rust before it gets through to the rest
of the house? The water tasts great, there is plenty of it, and it doesn't
smell, which we're thankful for, but this rust is all over the inside of
the
shower, toilet etc. I'm afraid to think of what it's doing to the inside
of
the pipes and the washing machine.What kind of equipment do I need to fix
this problem?

Thanks.
Snyde

I spoke to the county health dept's water guy yesterday about some
other stuff and mentioned iron, just out of curiosity.

He said best bet is to chlorinate your water, then filter it because
the disolved iron will settle out once it has been chlorinated. He
said you probably have to add piping to ensure that the water as 15
minutes on contact time before being filtered.

I went to Sears and bought a Kenmore Solid State Automatic
Clarifying Filter I know they are not cheap as I check today they cost
$650.

can you post a link? I went to sears.com and can't find this. Sounds
interesting.

thanks.

Try this link and see if it works for you. If not get back to me or drop me
a line at hotmail.com and I'll send you the info that way. But any reply
from me will be later tonight as I do farm and everything else around here.
Today is grocery shopping ;-). Good luck Randy

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...BVCook ie=Yes


"123go" wrote in message
...
I went to Sears and bought a Kenmore Solid State Automatic
Clarifying Filter I know they are not cheap as I check today they cost
$650.

can you post a link? I went to sears.com and can't find this. Sounds
interesting.

thanks.

"go4it4me" wrote in message
om...
Try this link and see if it works for you. If not get back to me or drop
me
a line at hotmail.com and I'll send you the info that way. But any reply
from me will be later tonight as I do farm and everything else around
here.
Today is grocery shopping ;-). Good luck Randy


http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...pid=0423482300
0&vertical=APPL&subcat=Whole+House+Systems&BV_UseB VCookie=Yes


well, that link didn't do me much good, but I searched the sears site for
the product ID within your link, and that worked. thanks!

Rust can be a combination of several issues in the water, however your
problem doesn't sound like rust. ferric Iron (common in well water)
will cause a pink type filme specifically where water sits and/or
channels. You will need a well analysis to determine the levels.
An Iron filter designed for ferric iron will effectively remove all of
the residue.
Carbon filters and Softeners work fine but only remove specific issue
in the water and neither remove iron or rust effectively.

David





123go wrote:
I went to Sears and bought a Kenmore Solid State Automatic
Clarifying Filter I know they are not cheap as I check today they cost
$650.

can you post a link? I went to sears.com and can't find this. Sounds
interesting.

thanks.

Rust can be a combination of several issues in the water, however your
problem doesn't sound like rust. ferric Iron (common in well water)
will cause a pink type filme specifically where water sits and/or
channels. You will need a well analysis to determine the levels.
An Iron filter designed for ferric iron will effectively remove all of
the residue.
Carbon filters and Softeners work fine but only remove specific issue
in the water and neither remove iron or rust effectively.

David





123go wrote:
I went to Sears and bought a Kenmore Solid State Automatic
Clarifying Filter I know they are not cheap as I check today they cost
$650.

can you post a link? I went to sears.com and can't find this. Sounds
interesting.

thanks.

There are several filters available to address rust in the water,
unfortunately a softener isn't one of them. If you have this problem
throughout your house, then the rust can most likely be traced to the
well. However if you have galvanized plumbing there could be area of
the pipe that are rusting and may need to be replace. The solution is
to test the water at the point of entry to the house, as well as at
another location inside the house for comparrison. Your Culligan Man
should be able to help.
David




Snydley wrote:
We live in rural western NY state and in this particular area the well water
is very rusty. We have a Culligan water softener, which came with the house,
I'm assuming it's doing it's job, but the water is still very rusty. Is
there a whole house filter of some sort that I can add to the pipe coming in
from the well that would trap this rust before it gets through to the rest
of the house? The water tasts great, there is plenty of it, and it doesn't
smell, which we're thankful for, but this rust is all over the inside of the
shower, toilet etc. I'm afraid to think of what it's doing to the inside of
the pipes and the washing machine.What kind of equipment do I need to fix
this problem?

Thanks.
Snyde

I agree. My "water guy" tested the water at several locations, a
couple of different times (tried adjusting softener, etc.) before
determining the best system for my situation (whole-house potassium
permanganate system). At a different house long ago, I had a filter on
the incoming line, which worked okay. It was not much cheaper to buy
and install than the KMnO4 system, though, and I found changing the
filter cartridges a hassle, and also I didn't like the fact that if you
missed getting the filter changed promptly, the rust came back with a
vengeance (usually discovered in a wash load of white clothes).

Jo Ann

David wrote:
There are several filters available to address rust in the water,
unfortunately a softener isn't one of them. If you have this problem
throughout your house, then the rust can most likely be traced to the
well. However if you have galvanized plumbing there could be area of
the pipe that are rusting and may need to be replace. The solution is
to test the water at the point of entry to the house, as well as at
another location inside the house for comparrison. Your Culligan Man
should be able to help.
David




Snydley wrote:
We live in rural western NY state and in this particular area the well water
is very rusty. We have a Culligan water softener, which came with the house,
I'm assuming it's doing it's job, but the water is still very rusty. Is
there a whole house filter of some sort that I can add to the pipe coming in
from the well that would trap this rust before it gets through to the rest
of the house? The water tasts great, there is plenty of it, and it doesn't
smell, which we're thankful for, but this rust is all over the inside of the
shower, toilet etc. I'm afraid to think of what it's doing to the inside of
the pipes and the washing machine.What kind of equipment do I need to fix
this problem?

Thanks.
Snyde

"Snydley" wrote in message
...
We live in rural western NY state and in this particular area the well
water
is very rusty. We have a Culligan water softener, which came with the
house,
I'm assuming it's doing it's job, but the water is still very rusty. Is
there a whole house filter of some sort that I can add to the pipe coming
in
from the well that would trap this rust before it gets through to the rest
of the house? The water tasts great, there is plenty of it, and it doesn't
smell, which we're thankful for, but this rust is all over the inside of
the
shower, toilet etc. I'm afraid to think of what it's doing to the inside
of
the pipes and the washing machine.What kind of equipment do I need to fix
this problem?

Thanks.
Snyde



You should have your water tested. Both before and after the softener.
Then you will know where you are at. I have used both Culligan and
RainSoft. My water is terrible. Iron is 156 per million with a PH of 3.2.
I use a chemical called MagiChem in an injector pump. Then Clorox in a
second injector pump. Then to a charcoal filter, then to a softener, then
to a 120 gallon settling tank. That gets us clear water and good enough to
wash clothes (.3 PPM to wash is a general guideline). We still only drink
from a RO in the kitchen.

Both Culligan, RainSoft and some County Health depts. or universities test
water.

On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 23:21:58 GMT, "John Galbreath Jr."
wrote:


"Snydley" wrote in message
.. .
We live in rural western NY state and in this particular area the well
water
is very rusty. We have a Culligan water softener, which came with the
house,
I'm assuming it's doing it's job, but the water is still very rusty. Is
there a whole house filter of some sort that I can add to the pipe coming
in
from the well that would trap this rust before it gets through to the rest
of the house? The water tasts great, there is plenty of it, and it doesn't
smell, which we're thankful for, but this rust is all over the inside of
the
shower, toilet etc. I'm afraid to think of what it's doing to the inside
of
the pipes and the washing machine.What kind of equipment do I need to fix
this problem?

Thanks.
Snyde



You should have your water tested. Both before and after the softener.
Then you will know where you are at. I have used both Culligan and
RainSoft. My water is terrible. Iron is 156 per million with a PH of 3.2.
I use a chemical called MagiChem in an injector pump. Then Clorox in a
second injector pump. Then to a charcoal filter, then to a softener, then
to a 120 gallon settling tank. That gets us clear water and good enough to
wash clothes (.3 PPM to wash is a general guideline). We still only drink
from a RO in the kitchen.

Both Culligan, RainSoft and some County Health depts. or universities test
water.


You dont need equipment, you need to sell your house and move to the
city, where the water is always pure, clean, chlorinated and
floridated for your protection, and the chemicals added to the water
are there to eliminate rust so your porcelain god is always a nice
bright white when you vomit in it from the chemicals in your food and
water.