I have a 20 year old Hotpoint RF60 2-door upright fridge freezer. The
bottom half is the freezer and the top half is the fridge. There's only
one compessor, and a single electro-mechanical thermostat in the fridge is
the only temp control for the whole unit; it's sensor tube is attached to
the rear of the heat exchanger in the fridge compartment.

Last week the thermostat packed up. I called a repair firm and they
changed the thermostat. However, even on its warmest setting, the freezer
is at -24C (at least - end of thermometer scale) and the fridge is colder
than I would like - naturally, the compressor is running for much of the
time but the unit does go through a cycle i.e there are times when the
compressor is off and the heat exchanger in the fridge defrosts itself.
However, something's not right. Yesterday, the firm replaced the new
thermostat but the unit is still running too cold.

To try and understand how the thermostat works, I partly stripped the old
defective one. The outer 2 contacts appear to be controlled by the
bellows at the end of the sensor tube. However, there is a central
contact which seems to be connected to one of the edge contacts at all times
except when the thermostat is turned to Off. I don't understand what this
central contact is for.

There are 2 factory preset screws which control spring tensions and I
presume these screws control the temp at which the compressor contacts make
and break. One's accessible on the top of the thermostat and the other's
visible through a hole adjacent to the first screw. I'd be grateful for
advice on how best to go about adjusting these so that with the user control
knob in the middle of its scale, I have a freezer temp of around -18C and a
correspondingly cool fridge.

I've tried phoning Hotpoint for help but there is no technical department.
Any guidance and clarification would be much appreciated.

Those thermostats are generally not user adjustable (exept for the obvious
knob).

They may have used a universal aftermarket part instead of a factory
original. They may also have positioned the temp probe (wire like lead)
inside the insulation (or otherwise in the wrong spot) causing it to run too
cool.

Turn the other knob to "freezer colder" to close the vent and at least the
fridge will warm up a bit even if the freezer is still too cold


"Martin" wrote in message
...
I have a 20 year old Hotpoint RF60 2-door upright fridge freezer. The
bottom half is the freezer and the top half is the fridge. There's only
one compessor, and a single electro-mechanical thermostat in the fridge is
the only temp control for the whole unit; it's sensor tube is attached to
the rear of the heat exchanger in the fridge compartment.

Last week the thermostat packed up. I called a repair firm and they
changed the thermostat. However, even on its warmest setting, the
freezer
is at -24C (at least - end of thermometer scale) and the fridge is colder
than I would like - naturally, the compressor is running for much of the
time but the unit does go through a cycle i.e there are times when the
compressor is off and the heat exchanger in the fridge defrosts itself.
However, something's not right. Yesterday, the firm replaced the new
thermostat but the unit is still running too cold.

To try and understand how the thermostat works, I partly stripped the old
defective one. The outer 2 contacts appear to be controlled by the
bellows at the end of the sensor tube. However, there is a central
contact which seems to be connected to one of the edge contacts at all
times
except when the thermostat is turned to Off. I don't understand what
this
central contact is for.

There are 2 factory preset screws which control spring tensions and I
presume these screws control the temp at which the compressor contacts
make
and break. One's accessible on the top of the thermostat and the other's
visible through a hole adjacent to the first screw. I'd be grateful for
advice on how best to go about adjusting these so that with the user
control
knob in the middle of its scale, I have a freezer temp of around -18C and
a
correspondingly cool fridge.

I've tried phoning Hotpoint for help but there is no technical department.
Any guidance and clarification would be much appreciated.

Many thanks.

I'm sure you're right: they've used a universal thermostat instead of the
original part - assuming it's available. Now, the compressor has been
running for hours and the fridge is below zero. I watched him reconnect
the sensor tube and I'm sure that was positioned correctly. The fellow
thought it possible he'd reconnected the contacts wrongly, but as the fridge
has gone though on-off cycles, I imagine he reconnected correctly, but he
was unsure where the central contact leads to i.e. the contact that breaks
when the thermostat is switched off. He thought it might be the light!

I've run some simple tests using the force required to make and break the
contacts seeing what effect both the user control and the factory preset
screws have. It appears that the user knob controls the point at which
the contacts break i.e. when the compressor is switched off.

The screw accessible on the surface of the thermostat appears to affect the
make and break force: clockwise increases both the make and the break
forces. The screw inside the body appears to affect only the break
force - clockwise lowers the force.

I need to sleep on this, and tomorrow I will have a go at adjusting the
screw(s) and will report back in due course. This fridge freezer has no
vent - there are heat exchangers in both the freezer and the fridge.
There are no fans in either compartment and no visible physical connections
between the 2 compartments.

In future, I don't buy any appliance unless I can get hold of the service
manual. And the Hotpoint Indesit range is definitely out: they refuse
to sell the manuals and have no facility for technical help - unlesss you
call their own service personnel out.

I'll report the outcome for future reference.

Thanks again.



"PipeDown" wrote in message
k.net...
Those thermostats are generally not user adjustable (exept for the obvious
knob).

They may have used a universal aftermarket part instead of a factory
original. They may also have positioned the temp probe (wire like lead)
inside the insulation (or otherwise in the wrong spot) causing it to run
too
cool.

Turn the other knob to "freezer colder" to close the vent and at least the
fridge will warm up a bit even if the freezer is still too cold


"Martin" wrote in message
...
I have a 20 year old Hotpoint RF60 2-door upright fridge freezer. The
bottom half is the freezer and the top half is the fridge. There's
only
one compessor, and a single electro-mechanical thermostat in the fridge
is
the only temp control for the whole unit; it's sensor tube is attached
to
the rear of the heat exchanger in the fridge compartment.

Last week the thermostat packed up. I called a repair firm and they
changed the thermostat. However, even on its warmest setting, the
freezer
is at -24C (at least - end of thermometer scale) and the fridge is
colder
than I would like - naturally, the compressor is running for much of the
time but the unit does go through a cycle i.e there are times when the
compressor is off and the heat exchanger in the fridge defrosts itself.
However, something's not right. Yesterday, the firm replaced the new
thermostat but the unit is still running too cold.

To try and understand how the thermostat works, I partly stripped the
old
defective one. The outer 2 contacts appear to be controlled by the
bellows at the end of the sensor tube. However, there is a central
contact which seems to be connected to one of the edge contacts at all
times
except when the thermostat is turned to Off. I don't understand what
this
central contact is for.

There are 2 factory preset screws which control spring tensions and I
presume these screws control the temp at which the compressor contacts
make
and break. One's accessible on the top of the thermostat and the
other's
visible through a hole adjacent to the first screw. I'd be grateful for
advice on how best to go about adjusting these so that with the user
control
knob in the middle of its scale, I have a freezer temp of around -18C
and
a
correspondingly cool fridge.

I've tried phoning Hotpoint for help but there is no technical
department.
Any guidance and clarification would be much appreciated.

"Martin" wrote in message
...
Many thanks.

I'm sure you're right: they've used a universal thermostat instead of the
original part - assuming it's available. Now, the compressor has been
running for hours and the fridge is below zero. I watched him
reconnect
the sensor tube and I'm sure that was positioned correctly. The fellow
thought it possible he'd reconnected the contacts wrongly, but as the
fridge
has gone though on-off cycles, I imagine he reconnected correctly, but he
was unsure where the central contact leads to i.e. the contact that breaks
when the thermostat is switched off. He thought it might be the light!


The universal nature of the replacement part probably required both a
normally closed and a normally open contact to the switch. It might be used
on a different fridge but apparently not yours.

Hmm, If you hooked up the wrong side of the switch, the compressor would
run when it was too cold and stop if it were too warm. It would either run
all the time or not at all.


I've run some simple tests using the force required to make and break the
contacts seeing what effect both the user control and the factory preset
screws have. It appears that the user knob controls the point at
which
the contacts break i.e. when the compressor is switched off.

The screw accessible on the surface of the thermostat appears to affect
the
make and break force: clockwise increases both the make and the break
forces. The screw inside the body appears to affect only the break
force - clockwise lowers the force.


When you figure it out, you will be the resident expert.

I need to sleep on this, and tomorrow I will have a go at adjusting the
screw(s) and will report back in due course. This fridge freezer has no
vent - there are heat exchangers in both the freezer and the fridge.
There are no fans in either compartment and no visible physical
connections
between the 2 compartments.

I never owned a freezer on the bottom model, maybe they are different than I
expect.

In future, I don't buy any appliance unless I can get hold of the service
manual. And the Hotpoint Indesit range is definitely out: they refuse
to sell the manuals and have no facility for technical help - unlesss you
call their own service personnel out.


To be fair, you did say it was 20 years old. There are still some things
that are hard to find for free on the web, service manuals are one of them,
shed plans are another.

A thermostat regulates temperature at the point where the sensor tube is
mounted. Hang a thermometer at the same spot and see if this what you
wanted. Moving it closer to the source of cold (coils) should cause warmer
air as these are usually intended to sense the circulating air in the box
not the thermal mass of a solid object. Try moving the sensor to a new
location or if it is touching the wall, move it away.



I'll report the outcome for future reference.

Thanks again.



"PipeDown" wrote in message
k.net...
Those thermostats are generally not user adjustable (exept for the
obvious
knob).

They may have used a universal aftermarket part instead of a factory
original. They may also have positioned the temp probe (wire like lead)
inside the insulation (or otherwise in the wrong spot) causing it to run
too
cool.

Turn the other knob to "freezer colder" to close the vent and at least
the
fridge will warm up a bit even if the freezer is still too cold


"Martin" wrote in message
...
I have a 20 year old Hotpoint RF60 2-door upright fridge freezer. The
bottom half is the freezer and the top half is the fridge. There's
only
one compessor, and a single electro-mechanical thermostat in the fridge
is
the only temp control for the whole unit; it's sensor tube is attached
to
the rear of the heat exchanger in the fridge compartment.

Last week the thermostat packed up. I called a repair firm and they
changed the thermostat. However, even on its warmest setting, the
freezer
is at -24C (at least - end of thermometer scale) and the fridge is
colder
than I would like - naturally, the compressor is running for much of
the
time but the unit does go through a cycle i.e there are times when the
compressor is off and the heat exchanger in the fridge defrosts itself.
However, something's not right. Yesterday, the firm replaced the new
thermostat but the unit is still running too cold.

To try and understand how the thermostat works, I partly stripped the
old
defective one. The outer 2 contacts appear to be controlled by the
bellows at the end of the sensor tube. However, there is a central
contact which seems to be connected to one of the edge contacts at all
times
except when the thermostat is turned to Off. I don't understand what
this
central contact is for.

There are 2 factory preset screws which control spring tensions and I
presume these screws control the temp at which the compressor contacts
make
and break. One's accessible on the top of the thermostat and the
other's
visible through a hole adjacent to the first screw. I'd be grateful
for
advice on how best to go about adjusting these so that with the user
control
knob in the middle of its scale, I have a freezer temp of around -18C
and
a
correspondingly cool fridge.

I've tried phoning Hotpoint for help but there is no technical
department.
Any guidance and clarification would be much appreciated.