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Old January 25th 06, 09:51 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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I posted awhile back about boilers. I'm still trying to make up my
mind. I am hearing a lot about 3 pass boilers. They are slightly more
efficient and are said to stay that way b/c they are easier to clean.
Are they really a lot better than conventional cast iron boilers? How
long have US manufacturers been making them? Is it really that hard to
keep a conventional boiler clean if you service it regularly or is this
a marketing thing? System 2000 also goes on about how hard
conventional boilers are to keep efficient.

Any thoughts? Thanks.

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Old January 25th 06, 10:48 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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I posted awhile back about boilers. I'm still trying to make up my
mind. I am hearing a lot about 3 pass boilers. They are slightly more
efficient and are said to stay that way b/c they are easier to clean.
Are they really a lot better than conventional cast iron boilers? How
long have US manufacturers been making them? Is it really that hard to
keep a conventional boiler clean if you service it regularly or is this
a marketing thing? System 2000 also goes on about how hard
conventional boilers are to keep efficient.


Three and four pass boilers have been the most efficient in industrial
boilers for at least 50 years. It is not really a "new" technology, just
being applied to residential.

Regular boilers need cleaning about every 1000 gallons of oil. Gas can go
for years with minimal maintenance.


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Old January 26th 06, 12:30 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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System 2000 can be difficult to work on without special training, and has a
higher frequency of repair than many other boilers. They're not worth the
extra money or aggravation. IMO, there's no better system on the market
today than the New Yorker FR-HGS boiler
http://www.newyorkerboiler.com/frhgs.cfm combined with an indirect water
heater like the Amtrol BoilerMate http://www.amtrol.com/boilermate.htm The
FR-HGS is a 3 pass, horizontal tube boiler that's easy to clean and simple
to work on. The basic design has been around since the 1960s. New Yorker
Steel Boiler Co. is owned by Burnham Corp.

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I posted awhile back about boilers. I'm still trying to make up my
mind. I am hearing a lot about 3 pass boilers. They are slightly more
efficient and are said to stay that way b/c they are easier to clean.
Are they really a lot better than conventional cast iron boilers? How
long have US manufacturers been making them? Is it really that hard to
keep a conventional boiler clean if you service it regularly or is this
a marketing thing? System 2000 also goes on about how hard
conventional boilers are to keep efficient.

Any thoughts? Thanks.



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Old January 26th 06, 01:21 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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Thank-you. But are they really that much better? I know the 3 pass
are easier to clean, but do conventional boilers really lose that much
efficiency if maintained yearly? I can't really get excited about a
boiler that is 2% more efficient. Why are HVAC guys so excited about
these? Also, is it possible for a homeowner to clean a boiler? Where
can I find info on this?

Thanks.

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Old January 26th 06, 01:58 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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Which boiler are you asking is better?
Which boiler are you calling "conventional"?
Which boilers are they getting excited about?
It's possible for the average home owner to clean his own boiler. It's not
possible for him to adjust it without proper training. New boilers don't
require as much cleaning, but the adjustments should be checked every year.

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Thank-you. But are they really that much better? I know the 3 pass
are easier to clean, but do conventional boilers really lose that much
efficiency if maintained yearly? I can't really get excited about a
boiler that is 2% more efficient. Why are HVAC guys so excited about
these? Also, is it possible for a homeowner to clean a boiler? Where
can I find info on this?

Thanks.



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Old January 26th 06, 02:15 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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When I say conventional, I mean a pin type boiler. Maybe this is the
wrong term. Better refers to 3 pass boilers. the only advantages I
see is that they are slightly more efficient and easier to clean. I
assume they are fairly new for residential use. I am just trying to
determine if they are significantly better than the pin type and why.
Thanks.

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Old January 26th 06, 02:32 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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Cast iron boilers with the "pins" on them are a pain to clean. The 'steady
state efficiency' of any vertical pass boiler is about the same as a
horizontal pass boiler, but the 'seasonal efficiency' is not.

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When I say conventional, I mean a pin type boiler. Maybe this is the
wrong term. Better refers to 3 pass boilers. the only advantages I
see is that they are slightly more efficient and easier to clean. I
assume they are fairly new for residential use. I am just trying to
determine if they are significantly better than the pin type and why.
Thanks.



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Old January 26th 06, 02:58 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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You mean that the pin type boiler becomes less efficient as the heating
season passes, but returns to its normal efficiency after cleaning.
The 3 pass keeps a more consistent state of efficiency between
cleanings if I understand you correctly.

This doesn't seem like such a big deal if you service your boiler
regularly.

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Old January 26th 06, 03:26 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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On 25 Jan 2006 12:51:20 -0800, "
wrote:

I posted awhile back about boilers. I'm still trying to make up my
mind. I am hearing a lot about 3 pass boilers. They are slightly more
efficient and are said to stay that way b/c they are easier to clean.


It depends. A closed system burning fual gas will require next to no
cleaning.

Are they really a lot better than conventional cast iron boilers?


They each have grown into their own use by popular demand.

How
long have US manufacturers been making them? Is it really that hard to
keep a conventional boiler clean if you service it regularly or is this
a marketing thing? System 2000 also goes on about how hard
conventional boilers are to keep efficient.


Marketing speak like that is always suspect. I don't know the
"System 2000" however, that _is_ marketing speak.


Any thoughts? Thanks.


Unless you need a boiler for a multiunit dwelling (8-10 + units)
cast iron is most likely your best choice. Others hear are very
qualified to speak of the better residential brands to look into. Talk
to a contractor that does residential and commercial boilers as well
if you're on the bubble.


-zero
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Old January 26th 06, 01:42 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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A horizontal pass boiler is usually more efficient while running, because it
extracts more heat from the flame. They are usually retain more heat when
not running, because there is less natural draft to cool it down.

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You mean that the pin type boiler becomes less efficient as the heating
season passes, but returns to its normal efficiency after cleaning.
The 3 pass keeps a more consistent state of efficiency between
cleanings if I understand you correctly.

This doesn't seem like such a big deal if you service your boiler
regularly.



 




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