Where do I begin???


We're building a new home and I fell in love with the photo of
Mannington's Blue Ridge Hickory Plank Natural in their catalog. I went

to several local flooring stores to price shop and view the sample
boards. I got catalogs and I requested wood samples from Mannington,
which they sent right out. I thought I knew what I was ordering.


I called FastFloors.com and got a quote of $5.30 a square foot, which
was $2.00 a foot less than the lowest local store was offering. They
offered to put flooring on hold for me, because this particular style
is popular and on backorder frequently. The next day, credit card in
hand, I called FastFloors.com back to pay. I was told that the quote
was no good and that I would have to pay $6.15 a square foot. Since
the only available flooring was on hold with them, I would either have
to risk losing that lot to someone else in the country and waiting for
a backorder to arrive in a few weeks, or pay the higher price. I was
angry, but I ordered the flooring.


It was delivered 3 weeks ago, and our installers told us to let it sit
in the house for two weeks to acclimate. We opened two boxes, and
admired the top board or two---couldn't wait to see it installed!


Installation day arrived 10 days ago. Several hours into the job, the
owner of the installation company called me and told me that a lot of
the wood was bad, and that I needed to leave work and take a look.


Bad? It is horrible wood. Nothing at all like Mannington's photos.
I called them up and was told that hickory has lots of "character and
color variation". I was fine with the colors--that is what I loved
about what I had seen. I did not appreciate the worm holes, huge gray
areas, black streaks, wood with defects which had been finished over,
huge knots, etc. My installer told me it was "cabin grade" wood,
which would be fine if we were building a cabin and not a $2 million
contemporary home in Los Angeles.


Sadly, during the building of the home, we were victims of the deluges
of rain all winter and our subfloors were soaked so often that they
were not very smooth. Our installers sanded, and recommended gluing
down the flooring to increase the integrity of the finished
installation.


When I saw the wood that had been installed, I just about cried in
front of the entire crew. The owner told me that the glue wouldn't be
completely cured for at least 24 hours and that he could have the
flooring pried up in the morning. I told him I'd call Mannington
first.


When they told me that this was the wood I had ordered and that the
photos on their website are not accurate depictions of the products but

merely "room scenes". I wonder what they call the sample boards? The

actual samples they mail...what are those??


I told my installer John (not his real name) to go ahead and remove the

approximately 300 square feet they'd installed. They had to pry it up
with crowbars, tearing up the subfloor with it.


My subfloor is so damaged now that parts will have to be replaced, and
the framers glued it to the joists, so we have a HUGE MESS on our
hands!!!! I cannot even imagine the words our contractor must have
uttered when he walked in last week and saw the destruction.


Mannington has a pre-installation warranty, whereby a consumer can
hand-select all of the boards to be installed and return the rest for
exchange.


So, what if you order flooring, schedule installers to spend a week at
your home, and half the flooring turns out to look like crap, and there

is no more in stock because it's on backorder???? Does Mannington
warn you? No. Does FastFloors.com? No. But do they both know that
Mannington's hickory is like this? Yes! It would be so kind of one of

them to inform consumers that they should order twice as much wood as
they determine they'll need, so they can hand-select their boards and
send the rest back.


John is going to do his best to fix my subfloor. It looks like a bomb
went off in the home we were supposed to move into in two weeks.
Inspections have been postponed, because we won't pass any of them now.



I'm out another $10,000 in additional wood ordered so far, and will
probably need another 25 boxes to fill my original quantity of decent
wood ordered.


Will I be responsible for the extra $600-700 in shipping? Will
Mannington really refund my $10,000-$13,000 in "rustic" wood? What
will the State Attorney General have to say about all of this?


Stay tuned. I will post again, because no one should suffer the stress

that my husband and I, and John, are going through right now. I should

not be worrying and wondering if more wood will be showing up in the
next day or two so that John's guys can finish.


What if I hadn't been able to pay for the extra wood so we could
"hand-select" our boards? I was lucky enough to have enough credit
available on my AMEX card....oh, and I've called them too. I hear they

are very good about dealing with disputed charges.


If I don't come out of this mess satisfied with the outcome, I will be
putting up a website to accurately depict Mannington's Blue Ridge
Hickory Plank Natural First Quality wood. Someone's got to and
Mannington doesn't seem inclined to, at least not yet.

(The message above was originally posted last year.)

Update: FastFloors.com told American Express that I was trying to get
something for nothing and AMEX denied my dispute. I have since
re-opened the dispute, (explaining that all I want is the floor
advertised at the price agreed upon), and it hasn't been resolved yet.
I have contacted attorneys and I have one willing to work on this if
AMEX doesn't come through for me. I have spent close to $10,000 in
extra shipping, extra labor, repair of the sub-floor, bait-and-switch
price gouging and misc. to get the floor represented in Mannington's
materials.

I have recently heard from another consumer fighting the same type of
issue with the appearance of their Mannington flooring. Buyer
beware!!!

yep. I'm afraid that the flooring business
is, well, a bunch of rug merchants. Get
a lawyer.

You say you are building a new home, and it
looks like you don't have a general contractor.
Watch the HVAC sub like a hawk. My experience,
those guys are *worse* than the floor guys.

BTW, not to beat this into the ground, but, the following
is a direct quote from the Kahrs website. Apparently, Kahrs,
for one, is in the habit of selling off-quality material as
"economy grade". Unfortunately, I have had similar
experience with other types of products, i.e. getting
a good price over the internet only to receive second-
quality merchandise.

Kahrs
http://www.kahrs.com/templates/KahrsExtranetStandardNews.aspx?id=12833&contentid= 17167
says:
"It is our intent to use the Internet as an information tool and to
stimulate a visit to the local retailer. The showroom is the place
where sales should be discussed and sealed due to the complexity and
special prerequisites for floor installation, designs, and the Kährs
quality policy to make sure the consumer ends up with a floor that is
perfect for their needs.

We have received numerous calls from consumers who have had unpleasant
experiences as a result of purchasing flooring over the Internet. The
installation of a Kährs floor in your home is a substantial
investment, therefore we offer the following warnings before
considering a purchase over the Internet:

1) Warranty protection: Kährs will not review a claim without the
selling retailer and selling distributor inspecting the floor and
confirming that a problem exists in accordance with our stated
warranty.


2) Poor installation is the number one cause of consumer
dissatisfaction. Authorized dealers are required to follow the Kährs
Professional Installation Guide and have access to all installation and
product training programs offered by Kahrs and our distribution
partners.


3) Kährs provides warranty coverage on first quality material only.
Economy grade products are not covered. This can pose significant
problems for Internet consumers if they are not able to visit their
local retailer should they have any questions or concerns.


Beware of products offered at substantially discounted prices over the
Internet. Hidden costs such as freight and installation are generally
not reflected in those discounts. Your local authorized dealer offers
the benefits of full warranty protection, superior customer service,
and manufacturer-backed quality that are reflected in their prices.

"Mr_Bill" wrote in message
ups.com...
BTW, not to beat this into the ground, but, the following
is a direct quote from the Kahrs website.

Kahrs
http://www.kahrs.com/templates/KahrsExtranetStandardNews.aspx?id=12833&contentid= 17167
says:
"It is our intent to use the Internet as an information tool and to
stimulate a visit to the local retailer. The showroom is the place
where sales should be discussed and sealed due to the complexity and
special prerequisites for floor installation, designs, and the Kährs
quality policy to make sure the consumer ends up with a floor that is
perfect for their needs.

..
Yeah, but if I'm building a $700,000 house and can save 50 bucks on the
flooring . . . . . . . .
The Kahrs guys got it right.

We do have a general contractor. Actually, the house is done now and
we've become friends with him and his wife. My flooring is gorgeous
and is exactly what is pictured in Mannington's catalogs. It's what it
cost me to get it that way that has me upset. I feel that what comes
out of the boxes should be what they show in their pictures. That's
all I wanted. Unfortunately, that's not what Mannington sends out.

"NotGonnaTakeIt" wrote in message
oups.com...
I feel that what comes
out of the boxes should be what they show in their pictures. That's
all I wanted. Unfortunately, that's not what Mannington sends out.

Mine was exactly as pictured

That's great for you, Edwin, but mine was not.

How many more times are you gonna post this sad sack of crap? A
simple google search shows you first started bitching with the same
post in May 2005. Now you come back, not with something new, but the
same old story, as if it just happened.

The vendor takes back product that you want to reject because of
appearance before you install it. But you want them to pay not only
for the material which is now ruined, but also for labor of installing
it, removing it, replacing the sub floor, and God knows what else. Oh,
and let's not forget that you also expect to be reimbursed for the fact
that when you actually placed the order they gave you a higher price
than they had previously quoted you, even though you clearly knew that
when you placed the order.

Obviously your installer either didn;t think the flooring material was
crap material or else he's an incompetent hack that you hired to save
another couple bucks on your mansion, because he installed it didn't
he?

If anyone should get a lawyer here, I think it's the companies that are
involved.

wrote:
Obviously your installer either didn;t think the flooring material was
crap material or else he's an incompetent hack that you hired to save
another couple bucks on your mansion, because he installed it didn't
he?

Some installers don't find they generate repeat business by criticizing
the customers' taste in building supplies.

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