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Old January 2nd 06, 03:10 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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Hey all, Furnace Rookie here.
I just moved into a 30 year old house with a 17 year old thermopride 80%
efficiency 80k btu furnace.

Got my first heating bill back for December, 300 bucks, OUCH! is that
typical? I'm in SE Michigan.

Here is my question though. When the furnace cycles on, it starts up
normally, and runs fine, hot air at the vents ect.
however, when the gas shuts of mid cycle and the blower fan continues to
run, the furnace makes a clicking noise kind of like the sound that old
baseball cards made when put in the spokes of your bike.
this clicking slows down, and then stops, all the while the blower fan
continues to run without making a sound.

I opened the main panel of the furnace, and it looks like there is a second
smaller electric fan in there? The furnace vents thru a 4 or maybe 5 inch
steel pipe up the chimney.
Its sounds to me like there is a second fan (or something else that is
spinning) that runs when the gas is burning, and stops when the gas shuts
off.

Thanks for your help

Dave




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Old January 2nd 06, 03:38 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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get your make and model and search google for the manual.

in the meantime, the one blower may be to move the air to the house.
the other little one may be to blow the flue gas up your chimney.

in buffalo ny put your gas billing on balanced billing, unless you make
more money in winter.

general furnace article not repair at:
http://www.bobvila.com/ArticleLibrar...ForcedAir.html

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get your make and model and search google for the manual.

in the meantime, the one blower may be to move the air to the house.
the other little one may be to blow the flue gas up your chimney.

in buffalo ny put your gas billing on balanced billing, unless you make
more money in winter.

general furnace article not repair at:
http://www.bobvila.com/ArticleLibrar...ForcedAir.html

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Old January 2nd 06, 03:43 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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here's the manufacturer
http://www.thermopride.com/technical.cfm

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Old January 2nd 06, 03:50 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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You probably have an inducer blower which is a sort of exhaust fan for flue
gas (aka the smoke) on higher efficiency furnaces. This will typically
shut off with the gas burner when the thermostat says enough already, or
may remain on a bit longer with a time delay to clear the gases out of the
heat exchanger and reduce corrosion.

You're saying you only hear the clicking when the gas burner shuts off?
Does it continue until the main blower shuts off or just briefly as the
inducer coasts to a halt? Could be dirt on it. Many inducer motors have a
small fan to cool the motor and this will be a fan you can probably see
when you take off the outer furnace door. The inducer blower itself is a
squirrel cage blower wheel in an enclosure drawing on the heat exchanger
and blowing out the flue pipe. Without periodic attention the cooling fan
and motor (and perhaps a finger guard over the fan depending on type) may
get very dusty dirty.

Observe while it does its thing and shuts down and see when and where the
clicking is occurring. If you do see a visible motor cooling fan you
can...with furnace power off or at least turned off at the thermostat...try
giving it a spin. It should spin freely on its bearings (the blower wheel
you can't see, the motor rotor, and the fan you can see should combine to a
little bit of mass that if free from obstructions and on good bearings
given a push will spin easily for good bit). On the other hand just
observing normal operation seeing how long it coasts when it switches off.

It's also possible that the clicking could be nothing more than furnace
components contracting after the burner shuts off and making various clicks
and pops on account of that and being old.
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Old January 2nd 06, 05:31 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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Zephyr,

I had a similar issue with my heat pump. One day out of the blue it
started making that "baseball cards in spokes" sound when it shut off.
It progressively got worse, and I found that hardly any air was coming
out of my vents, causing the heat pump to run almost continuously. I
had it checked, and it turns out that the bearings in the blower motor
were going out causing the blower to scrape against it's housing. I
know we're comparing apples(electric) and oranges(gas), but blowers are
blowers. It could be that the bearings are going out on that secondary
blower.

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Old January 2nd 06, 11:19 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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Is it possible that the clicking sound is there the whole time, and you just
don't hear it? Listen to the heater very carefully.

"zephyr" wrote in message
...
Hey all, Furnace Rookie here.
I just moved into a 30 year old house with a 17 year old thermopride 80%
efficiency 80k btu furnace.

Got my first heating bill back for December, 300 bucks, OUCH! is that
typical? I'm in SE Michigan.

Here is my question though. When the furnace cycles on, it starts up
normally, and runs fine, hot air at the vents ect.
however, when the gas shuts of mid cycle and the blower fan continues to
run, the furnace makes a clicking noise kind of like the sound that old
baseball cards made when put in the spokes of your bike.
this clicking slows down, and then stops, all the while the blower fan
continues to run without making a sound.

I opened the main panel of the furnace, and it looks like there is a

second
smaller electric fan in there? The furnace vents thru a 4 or maybe 5 inch
steel pipe up the chimney.
Its sounds to me like there is a second fan (or something else that is
spinning) that runs when the gas is burning, and stops when the gas shuts
off.

Thanks for your help

Dave






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Old January 2nd 06, 03:30 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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"Bob" wrote in message
. ..
Is it possible that the clicking sound is there the whole time, and you
just
don't hear it? Listen to the heater very carefully.


Was thinking that as well, as if perhaps it had spark ignition, and the
ignition module was bad.

"zephyr" wrote in message
...
Hey all, Furnace Rookie here.
I just moved into a 30 year old house with a 17 year old thermopride 80%
efficiency 80k btu furnace.

Got my first heating bill back for December, 300 bucks, OUCH! is that
typical? I'm in SE Michigan.

Here is my question though. When the furnace cycles on, it starts up
normally, and runs fine, hot air at the vents ect.
however, when the gas shuts of mid cycle and the blower fan continues to
run, the furnace makes a clicking noise kind of like the sound that old
baseball cards made when put in the spokes of your bike.
this clicking slows down, and then stops, all the while the blower fan
continues to run without making a sound.

I opened the main panel of the furnace, and it looks like there is a

second
smaller electric fan in there? The furnace vents thru a 4 or maybe 5
inch
steel pipe up the chimney.
Its sounds to me like there is a second fan (or something else that is
spinning) that runs when the gas is burning, and stops when the gas shuts
off.

Thanks for your help

Dave








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Old January 2nd 06, 10:39 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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"CBHVAC" wrote in message
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"Bob" wrote in message
. ..
Is it possible that the clicking sound is there the whole time, and you
just
don't hear it? Listen to the heater very carefully.


Was thinking that as well, as if perhaps it had spark ignition, and the
ignition module was bad.


No, it only happens when the burner shuts off, You can hear the noise
start and stop when burner shuts off.





"zephyr" wrote in message
...
Hey all, Furnace Rookie here.
I just moved into a 30 year old house with a 17 year old thermopride 80%
efficiency 80k btu furnace.

Got my first heating bill back for December, 300 bucks, OUCH! is that
typical? I'm in SE Michigan.

Here is my question though. When the furnace cycles on, it starts up
normally, and runs fine, hot air at the vents ect.
however, when the gas shuts of mid cycle and the blower fan continues
to
run, the furnace makes a clicking noise kind of like the sound that old
baseball cards made when put in the spokes of your bike.
this clicking slows down, and then stops, all the while the blower fan
continues to run without making a sound.

I opened the main panel of the furnace, and it looks like there is a

second
smaller electric fan in there? The furnace vents thru a 4 or maybe 5
inch
steel pipe up the chimney.
Its sounds to me like there is a second fan (or something else that is
spinning) that runs when the gas is burning, and stops when the gas
shuts
off.

Thanks for your help

Dave










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Old January 2nd 06, 10:41 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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"Steve Kraus" wrote in message
. net...
You probably have an inducer blower which is a sort of exhaust fan for
flue
gas (aka the smoke) on higher efficiency furnaces. This will typically
shut off with the gas burner when the thermostat says enough already, or
may remain on a bit longer with a time delay to clear the gases out of the
heat exchanger and reduce corrosion.

You're saying you only hear the clicking when the gas burner shuts off?


yes, once the burner stops, the noise starts, gradually slows down, then
stops. the main blower is still running when this happens.


Does it continue until the main blower shuts off or just briefly as the
inducer coasts to a halt? Could be dirt on it. Many inducer motors have
a
small fan to cool the motor and this will be a fan you can probably see
when you take off the outer furnace door. The inducer blower itself is a
squirrel cage blower wheel in an enclosure drawing on the heat exchanger
and blowing out the flue pipe. Without periodic attention the cooling fan
and motor (and perhaps a finger guard over the fan depending on type) may
get very dusty dirty.



I'll take a look at it when the motor is running, it just started, ( I
think) so, it could very well be a dirt thing



Observe while it does its thing and shuts down and see when and where the
clicking is occurring. If you do see a visible motor cooling fan you
can...with furnace power off or at least turned off at the
thermostat...try
giving it a spin. It should spin freely on its bearings (the blower wheel
you can't see, the motor rotor, and the fan you can see should combine to
a
little bit of mass that if free from obstructions and on good bearings
given a push will spin easily for good bit). On the other hand just
observing normal operation seeing how long it coasts when it switches off.

It's also possible that the clicking could be nothing more than furnace
components contracting after the burner shuts off and making various
clicks
and pops on account of that and being old.



 




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