I moved into my house a year or so ago, and the neighbors are starting
to notice the tools on the peg-board, tool chests, etc in the garage.

So one comes over a few days ago to borrow an 8mm wrench, the first one
I could find was a nice Kobalt (the kind made by a company owned by
Snap-On Williams?), now made by ????)...

Well, you know the story, he can't remember where he put it, yada,
yada, yada...

So my question is, what would be a half-way decent (non-dangerous,
don't want to get sued if the tool breaks) set of 'loaner' tools? Or
should I be a pri$k, and not loan out tools period?

My Dad is a 'Craftsman' man, and I will inherit a sweet set of
'40s-'50s Craftsman tools someday, but for the least amount of outlay,
what would be a safe and decent set of 'no-tears' tools if they get
borrowed or lost? Can I trust a Harbor Freight set, or should I snatch
up a Craftsman set on sale?

I will get a cheap tool chest to put them in, keep that ONE unlocked,
and pretty much let the neighbors help themselves when they ask to
borrow a tool...

wrote:
I moved into my house a year or so ago, and the neighbors are starting
to notice the tools on the peg-board, tool chests, etc in the garage.

So one comes over a few days ago to borrow an 8mm wrench, the first one
I could find was a nice Kobalt (the kind made by a company owned by
Snap-On Williams?), now made by ????)...

Well, you know the story, he can't remember where he put it, yada,
yada, yada...

So my question is, what would be a half-way decent (non-dangerous,
don't want to get sued if the tool breaks) set of 'loaner' tools? Or
should I be a pri$k, and not loan out tools period?

Why would you be "cheap" (or anything for that matter) if you decide not
to loan stuff to irresponsible people? If the neighbors behave like
clueless 4 year olds and can't be trusted with stuff then do what you do
with a 4 year old. Lock the stuff up.




My Dad is a 'Craftsman' man, and I will inherit a sweet set of
'40s-'50s Craftsman tools someday, but for the least amount of outlay,
what would be a safe and decent set of 'no-tears' tools if they get
borrowed or lost? Can I trust a Harbor Freight set, or should I snatch
up a Craftsman set on sale?

I will get a cheap tool chest to put them in, keep that ONE unlocked,
and pretty much let the neighbors help themselves when they ask to
borrow a tool...

wrote in message
oups.com...
I moved into my house a year or so ago, and the neighbors are starting
to notice the tools on the peg-board, tool chests, etc in the garage.

So one comes over a few days ago to borrow an 8mm wrench, the first one
I could find was a nice Kobalt (the kind made by a company owned by
Snap-On Williams?), now made by ????)...

Well, you know the story, he can't remember where he put it, yada,
yada, yada...

So my question is, what would be a half-way decent (non-dangerous,
don't want to get sued if the tool breaks) set of 'loaner' tools? Or
should I be a pri$k, and not loan out tools period?

You want to BUY some tools to loan out???

Can I borrow your car??

Harbor Freight is fine for lender tools. If you are thinking you may
get sued for helping someone, well then don't help them. There is
always a risk in helping people. I heard of this case where the guy
gave another person CPR after they collapsed from heart attack and
accidently broke a rib. The person lived and sued the guy for breaking
the rib. Well, if that person is your neighbor, move or don't
associate with them. Also, if you want to have a brand on hand to loan
out, go to Sears and have a look at what they have. It used to be
Craftsman is Craftsman, but now you have something like 3 different
Craftsman types. The cheapest being a Chineese made number and the
cost is similar to Harbor Freight.

Another thing is eBay. I have gotten many used Snap-On tools in very
good shape for fraction of the price of new. Just take a look. I keep
them for myself, but if I lost one, I would not be too heartbroken
since I did not pay an arm for it. So there are options. You can also
tell the borrower that this particular tool is valuable and you want it
back as it means a lot to you. There is no shame in stating that and
the borrower will more than likely respond well to something like that.
In many cases people who are not that handy (and that is why they need
to borrow tools in the first place) have no idea that a wrench or a
screwdriver can be different from one another. This does not mean they
are idiots or anything, just ignorant. I am sure they are
knoweledgeable in something that you are ignorant about and will be
surprised that you don't know that one 37 stamp may be worth a lot more
than other, for example. So, ploitely educating the borrower usually
works, but not always.

Good luck,
Vladimir

I'm sure if you keep asking the guy, "Can you look again for my 8mm
wrench?", he'll stop asking to borrow your tools.

I just don't understand some people. If I would have lost someone's
wrench I would have bought them a new one. They didn't give it to me,
they were loaning it and those are the rules.

Mike

I will get repaid, like when I need one to walk my dog, or pick up the
papers while on vacation, etc...

You give a little, and (hopefully) get a little..

I grew up in an era when you lived in a neighborhood, not a house on a
street surrounded by anonymous neighbors...

wrote in message
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I moved into my house a year or so ago, and the neighbors are starting
to notice the tools on the peg-board, tool chests, etc in the garage.

So one comes over a few days ago to borrow an 8mm wrench, the first one
I could find was a nice Kobalt (the kind made by a company owned by
Snap-On Williams?), now made by ????)...

Well, you know the story, he can't remember where he put it, yada,
yada, yada...



Ummm ......did you ask him to replace it!!!

wrote in

I grew up in an era when you lived in a neighborhood, not a house on a
street surrounded by anonymous neighbors...

Yeah. Same here. But I also grew up with neighbors that respected your
property.

I understand your point, but I still don't see why YOU have to buy tools so
your NEIGHBORS can "borrow" them. Maybe find what type of tools they really
want and give them to them as a gift???

OR

How about having a "check out tag" where they would fill in there name and
date and hang it on the peg board?

Oh. I still need to borrow your car....

;-]

wrote in message
oups.com...
I moved into my house a year or so ago, and the neighbors are starting
to notice the tools on the peg-board, tool chests, etc in the garage.

So one comes over a few days ago to borrow an 8mm wrench, the first one
I could find was a nice Kobalt (the kind made by a company owned by
Snap-On Williams?), now made by ????)...

Well, you know the story, he can't remember where he put it, yada,
yada, yada...

So my question is, what would be a half-way decent (non-dangerous,
don't want to get sued if the tool breaks) set of 'loaner' tools? Or
should I be a pri$k, and not loan out tools period?

My Dad is a 'Craftsman' man, and I will inherit a sweet set of
'40s-'50s Craftsman tools someday, but for the least amount of outlay,
what would be a safe and decent set of 'no-tears' tools if they get
borrowed or lost? Can I trust a Harbor Freight set, or should I snatch
up a Craftsman set on sale?

I will get a cheap tool chest to put them in, keep that ONE unlocked,
and pretty much let the neighbors help themselves when they ask to
borrow a tool...

First keep your garage door closed.
When I traveled frequently below the border I would visit Harbor Freight and
get a set of tools including a tool box. More than once I was "man-handled"
into giving them the tools. My boss was pretty miffed at the concept but
when he found out what my SK or Snap On stuff cost he was elated.

We had to do an ugly transformer job a couple of year ago. The only 13/16
inch wrench that did not break was from HF. Granted the craftsman was
replaced, but when your 150 miles into the desert at a mine, broke is broke.

Well, like I said, I will need favors from them sometimes too...

I tell you, it is priceless to have a neighbor you trust, walk your dog
while away, keep an eye on your house, etc...

I figure losing a few 'cheaper' tools along the way is probably a cheap
price to pay in the long run.

We will see, I am still not sure of most of the neighbors, but the guy
who lost my 8mm wrench did let me borrow his lawn-mower once when mine
was in the shop (I shoulda told him I can't remember where I put it :-)

"SQLit" wrote

First keep your garage door closed.
When I traveled frequently below the border I would visit Harbor Freight
and
get a set of tools including a tool box. More than once I was
"man-handled"
into giving them the tools. My boss was pretty miffed at the concept but
when he found out what my SK or Snap On stuff cost he was elated.

We had to do an ugly transformer job a couple of year ago. The only 13/16
inch wrench that did not break was from HF. Granted the craftsman was
replaced, but when your 150 miles into the desert at a mine, broke is
broke.

I've had a lot of people say that Harbor Freight has "throw away tools" and
aren't very good for anything except light duty jobs. But I'll tell you
what:

I first heard of HF about 25 years ago and I bought a set of 16(?)
screwdrivers from them. I think back then they were less than $15 including
S&H. I have bought dozens of them since then (Stanley, Snap On, Craftsmen)
but I STILL have all of the HF ones and they are all in good shape except
for one: The set came with a big straight slot with a big handle called a
"two fister". I used it one time to bust up concrete and the handle broke in
half. Blade is still intact......

I 'putter-around in the garage alot, and it gets awfully hot in there
in a FL summer with the garage door closed ;-)

I will see if I can find a Harbor Freight around locally. I have heard
horror stories about them, but if I can fondle the tools before I buy,
I might feel better about buying them.

Thanks all!

wrote:
I moved into my house a year or so ago, and the neighbors are starting
to notice the tools on the peg-board, tool chests, etc in the garage.

So one comes over a few days ago to borrow an 8mm wrench, the first one
I could find was a nice Kobalt (the kind made by a company owned by
Snap-On Williams?), now made by ????)...

Well, you know the story, he can't remember where he put it, yada,
yada, yada...

So my question is, what would be a half-way decent (non-dangerous,
don't want to get sued if the tool breaks) set of 'loaner' tools? Or
should I be a pri$k, and not loan out tools period?

My Dad is a 'Craftsman' man, and I will inherit a sweet set of
'40s-'50s Craftsman tools someday, but for the least amount of outlay,
what would be a safe and decent set of 'no-tears' tools if they get
borrowed or lost? Can I trust a Harbor Freight set, or should I snatch
up a Craftsman set on sale?

I will get a cheap tool chest to put them in, keep that ONE unlocked,
and pretty much let the neighbors help themselves when they ask to
borrow a tool...

Well, I appreciate the generosity, but you're just setting yourself up
by buying "throwaway" loaner tools. What happens when your loaner 1/2"
socket wrench goes missing? Ar you going to replace it with another
one so someone can borrow it? That's a fun merry-go-round to ride on.
Say your 1/2" loaner socket is MIA, and you haven't gotten around to
replacing it yet - do you think the guy who's looking to borrow it, and
not finding it in the loaner set, isn't going to ask to borrow the good
one? That would imply a conscience, and guys who
steal...errrr....borrow tools and don't return them don't have a
conscience you can rely on.

Lots of luck with it. You'll need it.

R

If the tools started disappearing regularly, I would shut the operation
down and start being the a$$hole who doesn't help out a neighbor.

I figure over 15-20 years, a few tools will evaporate... I wouldn't
let the same neighbor keep borrowing if they keep losing them...

We will see, perhaps neighbors aren't worth the trouble anymore, and I
should just be a hermit.

wrote in message
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I 'putter-around in the garage alot, and it gets awfully hot in there
in a FL summer with the garage door closed ;-)

I will see if I can find a Harbor Freight around locally. I have heard
horror stories about them, but if I can fondle the tools before I buy,
I might feel better about buying them.

Thanks all!

Quite a few stores in Florida:


http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta..._stores.taf#FL

wrote in
oups.com:

I moved into my house a year or so ago, and the neighbors are starting
to notice the tools on the peg-board, tool chests, etc in the garage.

So one comes over a few days ago to borrow an 8mm wrench, the first one
I could find was a nice Kobalt (the kind made by a company owned by
Snap-On Williams?), now made by ????)...

Well, you know the story, he can't remember where he put it, yada,
yada, yada...

So my question is, what would be a half-way decent (non-dangerous,
don't want to get sued if the tool breaks) set of 'loaner' tools? Or
should I be a pri$k, and not loan out tools period?


If you want to loan out your tools,ask for something like their driver's
license,major credit card,or auto title first.
Something they are not going to want to do without.
They get it back when the tool is returned,*in good condition*.

(I know guys who can ruin a drill bit in one use,and can overheat a corded
drill to the point it stops working)

Buying an extra set of tools for loaning out is nuts.
If you don't trust them with your tools,don't loan them out.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

wrote in
oups.com:

I 'putter-around in the garage alot, and it gets awfully hot in there
in a FL summer with the garage door closed ;-)

I will see if I can find a Harbor Freight around locally. I have heard
horror stories about them, but if I can fondle the tools before I buy,
I might feel better about buying them.

Thanks all!


Jacksonville,Orlando,Casselberry(Orlo suburb) are Florida ones I know of.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

wrote in message
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I 'putter-around in the garage alot, and it gets awfully hot in there
in a FL summer with the garage door closed ;-)

I will see if I can find a Harbor Freight around locally. I have heard
horror stories about them, but if I can fondle the tools before I buy,
I might feel better about buying them.

Thanks all!


Stick to tools without moving parts. HF wrenches are fine (drop forged
hardened steel but not precision machined) but things like channel locks and
wire cutters are junk.

, 12/19/2005,6:06:35 PM, wrote:

I moved into my house a year or so ago, and the neighbors are starting
to notice the tools on the peg-board, tool chests, etc in the garage.

So one comes over a few days ago to borrow an 8mm wrench, the first
one I could find was a nice Kobalt (the kind made by a company owned
by Snap-On Williams?), now made by ????)...

Well, you know the story, he can't remember where he put it, yada,
yada, yada...

So my question is, what would be a half-way decent (non-dangerous,
don't want to get sued if the tool breaks) set of 'loaner' tools? Or
should I be a pri$k, and not loan out tools period?

My Dad is a 'Craftsman' man, and I will inherit a sweet set of
'40s-'50s Craftsman tools someday, but for the least amount of outlay,
what would be a safe and decent set of 'no-tears' tools if they get
borrowed or lost? Can I trust a Harbor Freight set, or should I
snatch up a Craftsman set on sale?

I will get a cheap tool chest to put them in, keep that ONE unlocked,
and pretty much let the neighbors help themselves when they ask to
borrow a tool...

Your neighbor misplaced one tool and now you want to buy a set of tools
so you can loan those out? Does this neighbor have a history of not
giving back tools? If so, then he cannot be trusted with your dog or
mail either. If this is a rare occassion then you are being awfully
tough on this fellow. Why not just forgive him and let it go this
time? The next time he wants to borrow a tool joke with him about
giving his car keys to you for collateral. He'll get the message and
will either change his mind or be extra careful with it.

--
"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the
support of Paul." ~ George Bernard Shaw

wrote in message
oups.com...
I moved into my house a year or so ago, and the neighbors are starting
to notice the tools on the peg-board, tool chests, etc in the garage.

So one comes over a few days ago to borrow an 8mm wrench, the first one
I could find was a nice Kobalt (the kind made by a company owned by
Snap-On Williams?), now made by ????)...

Well, you know the story, he can't remember where he put it, yada,
yada, yada...

So my question is, what would be a half-way decent (non-dangerous,
don't want to get sued if the tool breaks) set of 'loaner' tools? Or
should I be a pri$k, and not loan out tools period?


The HF tools will be fine (Pittsburgh brand I believe, lifetime warranty).
That's what I get for tool rolls for my vehicles. Cheap when I lose them
in the mud and snow (I do a lot of 4 wheeling) and I have yet to break one.
My philosophy on HF is this: If it's got a plug on it, don't buy it
(although their Central Machinery stuff is pretty decent....stay away from
Chicago Electric). I've found their pneumatics to work just fine and be a
fraction of the cost of the Senco's, etc.... For $30, you could come up
with a pretty good set of "loaner" handtools....
Cheers,
cc

Thanks, I will check out the Pittsburgh brand.

I mentioned neighbors, but I also have 3 brother-in-laws who I think
have a couple screwdrivers and a handful of sockets (but no socket
wrench) between them, sigh.....

It seems like you have excellent intentions....

How about this....

put up a little pegboard.
Have the names or street numbers of the neighbors.
When they borrow something put the item on a 3x5 card so that they know
you consider the tools to be valuable.

THEN - If a tool gets lost - like the current situation, you just go
and buy a replacement at full price for that tool and put the receipt
up with the name of the borrower.

THEN if they come back to borrow something else, you go to their name
and - the bill will be there - if they pay the full price then they can
borrow again...

In the past there have been computer simulations of various stratgies
for "getting along".
I seem to remember two strategies doing well-
1) TIT for TAT (which is what I described above)
and
2) TIT for TWO TATs - which did slightly better in the simulations (you
give the person a second chance...)


I think you need to establish that YOU value your tools -

good luck and report back!
Phil

wrote in message
oups.com...
I moved into my house a year or so ago, and the neighbors are starting
to notice the tools on the peg-board, tool chests, etc in the garage.

So one comes over a few days ago to borrow an 8mm wrench, the first one
I could find was a nice Kobalt (the kind made by a company owned by
Snap-On Williams?), now made by ????)...

Well, you know the story, he can't remember where he put it, yada,
yada, yada...

So my question is, what would be a half-way decent (non-dangerous,
don't want to get sued if the tool breaks) set of 'loaner' tools? Or
should I be a pri$k, and not loan out tools period?

My Dad is a 'Craftsman' man, and I will inherit a sweet set of
'40s-'50s Craftsman tools someday, but for the least amount of outlay,
what would be a safe and decent set of 'no-tears' tools if they get
borrowed or lost? Can I trust a Harbor Freight set, or should I snatch
up a Craftsman set on sale?

I will get a cheap tool chest to put them in, keep that ONE unlocked,
and pretty much let the neighbors help themselves when they ask to
borrow a tool...

Sign seen in a motorcycle repair shop. (The only tool we loan out belongs to
our cat. He always brings it back)

wrote in message
oups.com...
Thanks, I will check out the Pittsburgh brand.

I mentioned neighbors, but I also have 3 brother-in-laws who I think
have a couple screwdrivers and a handful of sockets (but no socket
wrench) between them, sigh.....

That one is easy- run out this week and get homeowner's or starter mechanics
sets for them for Xmas. The $150 bucks for the wally world or sams clubs
sets will be worth it in goodwill and dinner invites from your sisters.

The good tools I keep in the house. The 'disposable' tools go in the trunk
of the car for road trips. Haven't got the garage set up yet, since I just
moved in six months ago, but I don't think good tools, the small ones at
least, will be out there unless I can get the humidity under control. Even
if they do, they will be in a box, not on a pegboard, since the work is
usually elsewhere.

aem sends...

wrote:

I will get a cheap tool chest to put them in, keep that ONE unlocked,
and pretty much let the neighbors help themselves when they ask to
borrow a tool...

when you hand someone a tool, just tellem
I WANT THE MUTHER****ER BACK, OR I'M GOING TO TAKE IT OUT OF YOUR ASS!

Well, you know the story, he can't remember where he put it, yada,
yada, yada...

Clipboard with wildly inflated retail price. Sign here, due in 30 days.

So my question is, what would be a half-way decent (non-dangerous,
don't want to get sued if the tool breaks) set of 'loaner' tools? Or
should I be a pri$k, and not loan out tools period?

If you're lending it they're on their own. You've no liability. But add a
disclaimer to the clipboard mentioned above.

I will get a cheap tool chest to put them in, keep that ONE unlocked,
and pretty much let the neighbors help themselves when they ask to
borrow a tool...

Best to leave them as cheap as possible. Encourage them to get their own
when they end up breaking yours and paying an arm and a leg to replace it.

I'm all for being neighborly. I've loaned a few of my more unusual tools
out, pick axe, soil tamper, sawzall, etc. The sort of thing that's not
expected to be in a 'normal' set of tools. But when it comes to regular
tools like pliers, cutters, wrenches or a 3/8" drive socket set I never,
ever loan them out. I have no desire to go hunting them down to return it
when I need it. Nor do I have any interest in discovering what half-ass
thing they've done with the tool and ruined it in the process. To say
nothing of not even cleaning it before returning it.

Keep a MAC or Snap-On catalog handy. Let 'em see what a set of 'em lists
retail. That's a subtle, but direct, hint that they're not getting loaned
out. It always helps to know if the local Sears is having a sale on
craftsman sets. Point them in that direction.

In article ,
"wkearney99" wrote:

Well, you know the story, he can't remember where he put it, yada,
yada, yada...

Clipboard with wildly inflated retail price. Sign here, due in 30 days.

Bad idea. Clipboard with inflated 'deposit', make security deposit and
borrow tool, return tool and get deposit back. You will nev er get your
money if you don't already have it when they 'lose' tool. They will
lose much fewer if they deposited a security first.

--
Free men own guns, slaves don't
www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/

In article .com,
"chickenwing" wrote:

wrote:

I will get a cheap tool chest to put them in, keep that ONE unlocked,
and pretty much let the neighbors help themselves when they ask to
borrow a tool...

when you hand someone a tool, just tellem
I WANT THE MUTHER****ER BACK, OR I'M GOING TO TAKE IT OUT OF YOUR ASS!


How about taking it out of his daughter's ass?

--
Free men own guns, slaves don't
www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/

In article .com,
wrote:

Well, like I said, I will need favors from them sometimes too...

I tell you, it is priceless to have a neighbor you trust, walk your dog
while away, keep an eye on your house, etc...

You can certainly trust the neighbor who lost your 8mm wrench, trust him
to lose your 9mm too

--
Free men own guns, slaves don't
www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/

wrote:

I will get a cheap tool chest to put them in, keep that ONE unlocked,
and pretty much let the neighbors help themselves when they ask to
borrow a tool...

borrow hell

maybe you can sell them a nice set
turn it into a business

the snap on man

"If you're lending it they're on their own. You've no liability. But
add a
disclaimer to the clipboard mentioned above. "

I wouldn't be too sure about that. I don;t know of any specific law
here in NJ that limits your liability because you just lent someone a
tool. Say I lent a stepladder to someone, it's a little wobbly, and
they fall off it. I don't believe there is anything to prevent them
from suing me, claiming I knew the ladder was defective, etc.

Granted, this isn't a big issue with a wrench, but if you start lending
out circular saws and think you can't be sued, I think you are making a
big mistake.

wrote:
I will get a cheap tool chest to put them in, keep that ONE unlocked,
and pretty much let the neighbors help themselves when they ask to
borrow a tool... "

If they already aren't bringing back the ones that you personally hand
to them, what do you think will happen when you make it self service?
Instead of taking one thing, now they will feel free to take 6 cause
they might need them too.

I would have tried to make it less obvious that I have tools, by not
having them so visible to begin with. The answer to your problem is
already in place. When the guy that borrowed the 8MM comes back for a
new request, just butch up and say "Sorry, but I've been losing too
many tools lending them out and not having people return them, so I'm
not able to do it anymore." If you want, you can continue to lend a
tool or two to those that do bring them back. First time they don't
return it, cut them off.

Then you'll find out what kind of folks you're dealing with. If the
8mm guys is decent, you should have a new 8mm wrench within a few days.
My guess is you won't. And you're kidding yourself if you think there
is value in maintaining relationships with users like this. When you
need something, they won't be there for you, cause they don't give a
damn.

In article . net,
says...

wrote in message
oups.com...
I 'putter-around in the garage alot, and it gets awfully hot in there
in a FL summer with the garage door closed ;-)

I will see if I can find a Harbor Freight around locally. I have heard
horror stories about them, but if I can fondle the tools before I buy,
I might feel better about buying them.

Thanks all!


Stick to tools without moving parts. HF wrenches are fine (drop forged
hardened steel but not precision machined) but things like channel locks and
wire cutters are junk.

I bought the $99 10" sliding compound miter saw. While it's no
Hitachi, it's fairly decent considering it's 1/5 the price. I also
bought a couple of their $20 cordless drills. Those were
overpriced. ;-)

--
Keith

Keith Williams wrote in
:

In article . net,
says...

wrote in message
oups.com...
I 'putter-around in the garage alot, and it gets awfully hot in
there
in a FL summer with the garage door closed ;-)

I will see if I can find a Harbor Freight around locally. I have
heard horror stories about them, but if I can fondle the tools
before I buy, I might feel better about buying them.

Thanks all!


Stick to tools without moving parts. HF wrenches are fine (drop
forged hardened steel but not precision machined) but things like
channel locks and wire cutters are junk.

I bought the $99 10" sliding compound miter saw. While it's no
Hitachi, it's fairly decent considering it's 1/5 the price. I also
bought a couple of their $20 cordless drills. Those were
overpriced. ;-)


My Harbor Freight jigsaw,a clone of a Bosch 1581,works great,for
$60USD,$100 less than a real Bosch.
If I were a contractor or heavy user,I'd buy Bosch,though.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"badgolferman" wrote in
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Your neighbor misplaced one tool and now you want to buy a set of tools
so you can loan those out? Does this neighbor have a history of not
giving back tools? If so, then he cannot be trusted with your dog or
mail either. If this is a rare occassion then you are being awfully
tough on this fellow. Why not just forgive him and let it go this
time? The next time he wants to borrow a tool joke with him about
giving his car keys to you for collateral.

Joke,hell,no. No keys,no tool loan.
Although there's still the matter of getting it back *in good
condition*,IOW,working.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

wrote in message
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I moved into my house a year or so ago, and the neighbors are starting
to notice the tools on the peg-board, tool chests, etc in the garage.


I've got a lot of tools too.
I only lend stuff to a very few trusted, competent people. Most of the time
it is an odd item that I bought to do a specific job and rarely if ever use
now.

If it is a request for a "common" tool, my attitude is you should really get
your own. I am not here to subsidize you.

If it is a tool with moving parts, then it is not available for loan. If it
is an emergency, I will come and help with chainsaw, propane torch etc.

The last thing I lent was an extension ladder. It came back broken and the
guy had fallen off. Lucky he wasn't hurt.
Now he has his own ladder and I have directions to Home Depot, Lowes, Ace,
Wal-Mart, Kmart and Target, as well as NAPA, Autozone and ... well you get
the idea.

Charlie

Jim Yanik, 12/20/2005, 11:25:19 AM,
wrote:

"badgolferman" wrote in
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Your neighbor misplaced one tool and now you want to buy a set of
tools so you can loan those out? Does this neighbor have a history
of not giving back tools? If so, then he cannot be trusted with
your dog or mail either. If this is a rare occassion then you are
being awfully tough on this fellow. Why not just forgive him and
let it go this time? The next time he wants to borrow a tool joke
with him about giving his car keys to you for collateral.

Joke,hell,no. No keys,no tool loan.
Although there's still the matter of getting it back *in good
condition*,IOW,working.

You cut out the main point I was making:
"He'll get the message and will either change his mind or be extra
careful with it."

In article ,
says...
Keith Williams wrote in
:

In article . net,
says...

wrote in message
oups.com...
I 'putter-around in the garage alot, and it gets awfully hot in
there
in a FL summer with the garage door closed ;-)

I will see if I can find a Harbor Freight around locally. I have
heard horror stories about them, but if I can fondle the tools
before I buy, I might feel better about buying them.

Thanks all!


Stick to tools without moving parts. HF wrenches are fine (drop
forged hardened steel but not precision machined) but things like
channel locks and wire cutters are junk.

I bought the $99 10" sliding compound miter saw. While it's no
Hitachi, it's fairly decent considering it's 1/5 the price. I also
bought a couple of their $20 cordless drills. Those were
overpriced. ;-)


My Harbor Freight jigsaw,a clone of a Bosch 1581,works great,for
$60USD,$100 less than a real Bosch.

I'll have to look at it. Thanks.

If I were a contractor or heavy user,I'd buy Bosch,though.

There was a contractor in one of the groups who bought HF power
tools because he was tired of his expensive stuff getting stolen.
They were throwaways and no one wanted to steal them anyway.

--
Keith

"badgolferman" wrote in
:

Jim Yanik, 12/20/2005, 11:25:19 AM,
wrote:

"badgolferman" wrote in
:



Your neighbor misplaced one tool and now you want to buy a set of
tools so you can loan those out? Does this neighbor have a history
of not giving back tools? If so, then he cannot be trusted with
your dog or mail either. If this is a rare occassion then you are
being awfully tough on this fellow. Why not just forgive him and
let it go this time? The next time he wants to borrow a tool joke
with him about giving his car keys to you for collateral.

Joke,hell,no. No keys,no tool loan.
Although there's still the matter of getting it back *in good
condition*,IOW,working.

You cut out the main point I was making:
"He'll get the message and will either change his mind or be extra
careful with it."


Some people NEVER get the message,or deliberately ignore it.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:22:36 GMT, "Alex" wrote:

--SNIP for brevity-
I heard of this case where the guy
gave another person CPR after they collapsed from heart attack and
accidently broke a rib. The person lived and sued the guy for breaking
the rib

Folks have tried that, however almost all states have good smaritan laws
these days, and you are protected. Providing you have CPR training.

Well the Good Samaritan laws are designed to cover people with
training, but that doesn't mean that the people without training are
in more trouble.

Rather, it was the other way around. If you dind't know anything or
all you knew about cpr was from a half page flier, you were judged as
someone who doesn't know anything, and even if you did things badly,
you weren't liable (unless you were trying to hurt someone.)

Doctors otoh had I think in a few cases been held to the standard of
doctors. They had to do things right, to the same standard they would
be required to use in a hospital (minus the equipment). They were the
ones who were afraid to help, because some (and I'm sure in cases
where there was a bad result, like the patient died) doctors were
successfully sued, and other doctors were afraid of that . The ones
sued had been doing their best probably, but a jury thought somehow
that wasn't good enough. Or they weren't doing their best, but doctors
who read the paper were sure they had been.

But if the average Joe tries to help someone, he is and was judged
according to hisown level of competence. Was he negligent even
compared to what HE could have done. For example, did he run up to
help the guy, and everyone thought he was helping and left, and then
he decided, No I don't have time after all and he left the guy alone..
I'm not sure now, but I think a laymen who didn't even act like a
layman might be liable, if there were other people there who might
have done a better job, and somehow he got them to rely on HIM.

And I think a doctor would be liable under such an extreme scenario
too. Apparently there were many good-hearted (normal) doctors who
really wanted to help before and were for good reason afraid of
multi-million dollar suits if they didn't get it right.

Most courts, if not the plantiffs, realize that the person needing CPR was
dying. Broken rib is a small price to pay.

Darn right.

Of course on tv, they rarely check if the person needs cpr to begin
with. One is supposed to check for faint breathing, and for a faint
pulse before trying to supplement those things. OTOH, I've never been
able to find my pulse.

BTW I'd go with Thorsen or Mechanics Choice. Available at Wally World or
local discount parts houses. Both have lifetime warranty against breakage,
so if the neighbor brings it back busted, you can get a replacement.

-alex


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