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Would you go into the attic?
wrote in message ... I keep hearing about people drowning in the attic. Huh? Didn't they notice there wasn't an egress up there? What was their option? Drown in the street or go to a higher spot? Those that could chopped holes in their roof. Others that didn't or couldnt' died. |
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What was their option? Drown in the street or go to a higher spot? Those that could chopped holes in their roof. Others that didn't or couldnt' died. Personally, I'm all in favor of: "When the Governor tells you to GTF out, GTF out, and take your little dog with you." |
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wrote in message ... I keep hearing about people drowning in the attic. Huh? Didn't they notice there wasn't an egress up there? Drown or climb. What would you do? I would climb. Frankly after seeing all this if I did not live on a hill I would seriously be considering what non-power tools I needed to store in the attic to make it to the roof. Colbyt |
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Colbyt wrote: wrote in message ... I keep hearing about people drowning in the attic. Huh? Didn't they notice there wasn't an egress up there? Drown or climb. What would you do? I would climb. Frankly after seeing all this if I did not live on a hill I would seriously be considering what non-power tools I needed to store in the attic to make it to the roof. Right. Axe, hatchet, sledge, wrecking bar in that order. R |
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"RicodJour" wrote in message ps.com... Colbyt wrote: wrote in message ... I keep hearing about people drowning in the attic. Huh? Didn't they notice there wasn't an egress up there? Drown or climb. What would you do? I would climb. Frankly after seeing all this if I did not live on a hill I would seriously be considering what non-power tools I needed to store in the attic to make it to the roof. Right. Axe, hatchet, sledge, wrecking bar in that order. R And maybe some life jackets? |
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Frankly after seeing all this if I did not live on a hill I would seriously be considering what non-power tools I needed to store in the attic to make it to the roof. Gable vents and windows are your friend. Although I've never understood why all roofs don't come with access hatches. |
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"Goedjn" wrote in message ... Frankly after seeing all this if I did not live on a hill I would seriously be considering what non-power tools I needed to store in the attic to make it to the roof. Gable vents and windows are your friend. Although I've never understood why all roofs don't come with access hatches. Actually my fat butt would require big nails and a hammer to stay on top of my 11/12 roof. Colbyt |
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Goedjn wrote:
Frankly after seeing all this if I did not live on a hill I would seriously be considering what non-power tools I needed to store in the attic to make it to the roof. Gable vents and windows are your friend. Although I've never understood why all roofs don't come with access hatches. My grandfather was a roofer in the Bronx. He used to regularly cover skylights because it was a preferred entry point for burglars. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN VE |
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"Colbyt" wrote in message news:CPpRe.296271$_o.242732@attbi_s71... wrote in message ... I keep hearing about people drowning in the attic. Huh? Didn't they notice there wasn't an egress up there? Drown or climb. What would you do? I would climb. Frankly after seeing all this if I did not live on a hill I would seriously be considering what non-power tools I needed to store in the attic to make it to the roof. I'd keep a pair of plane tickets up there....... |
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"Goedjn" wrote in message ... Frankly after seeing all this if I did not live on a hill I would seriously be considering what non-power tools I needed to store in the attic to make it to the roof. Gable vents and windows are your friend. Although I've never understood why all roofs don't come with access hatches. Probably because they are a source of major leaks. |
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wrote in message ... I keep hearing about people drowning in the attic. Huh? Didn't they notice there wasn't an egress up there? If they didn't drown and couldn't get out, I would imagine the heat would get them within a few hours. About like leaving your baby buckled into a car seat in a car in the parking lot. |
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wrote in message ... I dont understand this. Apparently they dont always put windows in the attics in that area. I dont think I have ever seen a house without one or more windows in the attic. Common sense says that when the water is up to your chest and you are in an attic, it's time to break a window and swim. Yet, on the news they were showing rescuers using chainsaws and sawing thru roofs. That tells me there were no windows. No tall attics are meant to be habitable. Many are just a space above the ceiling and only a small hatch to access it. Mine has gable vents, no floor except a couple of planks down the center. If I could get there in rising water and save my life, I'd give it a try. You get desperate when death is very close. |
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wrote in message ... I keep hearing about people drowning in the attic. Huh? Didn't they notice there wasn't an egress up there? Likely they never realized the water would go up that high, and once they got up, the water rose further and blocked the only way out. Some people simply can't swim or are deathly afraid of being in "brackish" water, and just didn't think. Mind you those living in areas like New Orleans that are below water to start with, and with plenty of advance warning a storm was approaching have been toying with death for a long time. Sad,....but still DUMB. AMUN |
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Amun wrote:
Mind you those living in areas like New Orleans that are below water to start with, and with plenty of advance warning a storm was approaching have been toying with death for a long time. Sad,....but still DUMB. It's natural selection. Those with the brains to get out did, and they get to reproduce. Those that weren't that bright stayed, and here's the result. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN VE |
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" It's natural selection. Those with the brains to get out did, and they get to reproduce. Those that weren't that bright stayed, and here's the result. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN VE Yep, those with runnable cars, those with credit cards and bank accounts were able to flee. Those without, stayed. |
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On 8/31/2005 7:29 PM US(ET), Goedjn took fingers to keys, and typed the
following: Frankly after seeing all this if I did not live on a hill I would seriously be considering what non-power tools I needed to store in the attic to make it to the roof. Gable vents and windows are your friend. Although I've never understood why all roofs don't come with access hatches. It should be code to have one in areas that are below sea level. I sometimes I wish that I had one to get out onto the second floor roof to make repairs or installations, rather than using a 30' ladder. As for an emergency exit in the case of flooding, I'm 400' above sea level and even if all the ice caps melted all at once, I'll still be 140' above sea level (the Tsunamis created by the sudden melting would probably get me though). -- Bill |
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"JerryL" wrote in message ... " It's natural selection. Those with the brains to get out did, and they get to reproduce. Those that weren't that bright stayed, and here's the result. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN VE Yep, those with runnable cars, those with credit cards and bank accounts were able to flee. Those without, stayed. Even most people with no cash still have legs that they could have used to get to higher ground a day before it hit. Not like the hurricane just appeared without any warning. Or not like everyone in New Orleans hasn't been saying "phew, lucky another one just missed us" for years now. This is like the trailer park people farther north who lose their homes in the same area year after year every time a tornado comes through, then wonder why. If you poke fate with a pointed stick daily, don't be surprised when it finally bites you right in the ass. AMUN |
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Amun wrote:
.... Even most people with no cash still have legs that they could have used to get to higher ground a day before it hit. Where would that have been? Almost the whole of the city is low ground and how far would you have walked leaving your home? Not like the hurricane just appeared without any warning. That's true and some didn't make the prudent decision... .... This is like the trailer park people farther north who lose their homes in the same area year after year every time a tornado comes through, ... And where would that be? I'm unaware of any particular location that gets hit w/ tornadoes on an annual basis. While in "tornado alley" it's been over 20 years since been one closer than about 1-1/2 mi of the house. That's hardly enough that one could expect no one w/ limited finances to not use what alternatives there are for affordable housing. |
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Duane Bozarth wrote:
... That is exactly true, either. ... That, of course, should have been "... isn't exactly true, ..." |
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That's all well and good if you have the means to do so. I'm sure that
some figured they could "ride it out." I'm equally certain that many, many more did not leave because of lack of ability or resources to do so. |
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My grand parents used to have a very old egress. They kept in a leather
suitcase. My sister and I found it some time ago. We opened the suitcase, and the next thing we knew, we were out of the house entirely. That was one very mean egress. Guess that's why they talk about means of egress? More seriously, so you're on the second floor, and the water keeps rising. What's the choice? Up the stairs and hope for the best, or out the window. -- Christopher A. Young Do good work. It's longer in the short run but shorter in the long run. .. .. wrote in message ... I keep hearing about people drowning in the attic. Huh? Didn't they notice there wasn't an egress up there? |
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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 01:34:53 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:44:09 GMT, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: More seriously, so you're on the second floor, and the water keeps rising. What's the choice? Up the stairs and hope for the best, or out the window. I'm out the window on whatever seems to be floating best in the house. Put a hatchet in the attic and leave it there. maybe some bottled water & canned food as well. Then, if you ever need it, it's there. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Retired Shop Rat: 14,647 days in a GM plant. Now I can do what I enjoy: Large Format Photography Web Page: www.destarr.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
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On Sat 03 Sep 2005 08:19:39a, David Starr wrote in alt.home.repair:
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 01:34:53 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:44:09 GMT, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: More seriously, so you're on the second floor, and the water keeps rising. What's the choice? Up the stairs and hope for the best, or out the window. I'm out the window on whatever seems to be floating best in the house. Put a hatchet in the attic and leave it there. maybe some bottled water & canned food as well. Then, if you ever need it, it's there. Don't forget the can opener! -- Wayne Boatwright *¿* ____________________________________________ My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four, unless there are three other people. |
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wrote in message ... I dont understand this. Apparently they dont always put windows in the attics in that area. I dont think I have ever seen a house without one or more windows in the attic. Never seen a hip roof? You must live in an older city (pre-1950s), and not get out much. From the post-WWII era, right up until the modern drywall McMansion era with multiple faux gables, hip roofs (at least on one-story houses) were considered to make the house seem more low-slung and modern-looking. Makes the attic space (if you can call trusses an attic) harder to vent, but what the hell, it looks sleek. aem sends... aem sends... |
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"ameijers" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... I dont understand this. Apparently they dont always put windows in the attics in that area. I dont think I have ever seen a house without one or more windows in the attic. Never seen a hip roof? You must live in an older city (pre-1950s), and not get out much. From the post-WWII era, right up until the modern drywall McMansion era with multiple faux gables, hip roofs (at least on one-story houses) were considered to make the house seem more low-slung and modern-looking. Makes the attic space (if you can call trusses an attic) harder to vent, but what the hell, it looks sleek. Our house, a 1967 raised ranch has a hip roof. The overhang is very wide (36") with continuous soffet venting. The roof first had an electric vent fan and when that failed instead of replacing it, a later owner put in two "whirly-turban vents" (can't think of what they are called). Those solutions must be working OK since we still have the original roof and it's in pretty darn good shape. If somehow we were flooded (not likely as we live way up in the highland above Ithaca NY) and had to go up to the attic to escape, I suspect we could get through the whirly turbans or somehow punch out the old electric roof fan. Chris |
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"For the officials those half drowned school buses in the parking lot
should have been used for the evacuation. Its an obvious oversight now but future disaster planning in any district should do that. It will also be necessary to have a plan as to where to put them at the receiving end. You can't just bus thousands of people to another town and expect them to fend for themselves, especially when they have no car and no money" You are absolutley right. The crybaby mayor now on TV blaming FEMA for a slow response didn't have sense enough to use the school buses that were sitting there fully fueled to offer free rides to anyone needing transportation prior to the hurricane's arrival. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...lpc21109012015 But it's even worse than that. The Burboun Street bars were hosting hurricane parties the night before the hurricane. Local TV stations were covering the Mardi Gras like celebrations on the news. The foolish Mayor/Governor/Police Chief allowed this to go on, which sent a message to millions of viewers that if the bars were open, it was OK to stay and couldn't be all that bad. Many other shore area communities routinely make evacuation mandatory and the send emergency personnel into neighborhoods with bull horns ordering people to leave. Had NO officials done this, things could have been a lot different. |
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But it's even worse than that. The Burboun Street bars were hosting hurricane parties the night before the hurricane. Local TV stations were covering the Mardi Gras like celebrations on the news. The foolish Mayor/Governor/Police Chief allowed this to go on, which sent a message to millions of viewers that if the bars were open, it was OK to stay and couldn't be all that bad. And even today, people are refusing to leave. No sympathy for those. |
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 04:50:41 -0700, trader4 wrote:
"For the officials those half drowned school buses in the parking lot should have been used for the evacuation. Its an obvious oversight now but future disaster planning in any district should do that. It will also be necessary to have a plan as to where to put them at the receiving end. You can't just bus thousands of people to another town and expect them to fend for themselves, especially when they have no car and no money" You are absolutley right. The crybaby mayor now on TV blaming FEMA for a slow response didn't have sense enough to use the school buses that were sitting there fully fueled to offer free rides to anyone needing transportation prior to the hurricane's arrival. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...lpc21109012015 From Drudge this morning: Louisiana disaster plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00 'The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating'... But it's even worse than that. The Burboun Street bars were hosting hurricane parties the night before the hurricane. Local TV stations were covering the Mardi Gras like celebrations on the news. The foolish Mayor/Governor/Police Chief allowed this to go on, which sent a message to millions of viewers that if the bars were open, it was OK to stay and couldn't be all that bad. Many other shore area communities routinely make evacuation mandatory and the send emergency personnel into neighborhoods with bull horns ordering people to leave. Had NO officials done this, things could have been a lot different. Why am I not surprised. -- Keith |
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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 11:19:39 -0400, David Starr
wrote: On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 01:34:53 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:44:09 GMT, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: More seriously, so you're on the second floor, and the water keeps rising. What's the choice? Up the stairs and hope for the best, or out the window. I'm out the window on whatever seems to be floating best in the house. Put a hatchet in the attic and leave it there. maybe some bottled water & canned food as well. Then, if you ever need it, it's there. And an inflatable raft. Or at least remember to bring your kayak up there after you decide to ignore evacuation orders. |
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In the run up to Katrina there was a mandatory evacuation warning. Officiclas would know that there will be people who insist in staying and take their chances. What wasn't anticipated was that many would stay and that all the services would break down and incapable of being restrored any time soon. One immediate lesson I can think of is if people are going to stay there should be widely available information You mean like this? http://www.fema.gov/library/prepandprev.shtm What do you want them to do, come around and staple the ****ing handout to people's foreheads? For the officials those half drowned school buses in the parking lot should have been used for the evacuation. Its an obvious oversight now but future disaster planning in any district should do that. It will also be necessary to have a plan as to where to put them at the receiving end. You can't just bus thousands of people to another town and expect them to fend for themselves, especially when they have no car and no money. And that's the only real failure I've seen, and the problem is that you can't put your re-location/refugee camps in the same region as the people you intend to put there, else you're likely to loose them at the same time. Well, that and that convincing people to GO to a concentr////refugee camp is likely to be a tough sell. |
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