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Here's my favorite energy saving tip from the article:

'Replace incandescent bulbs with compact fluorescents; they produce the
same light but use a fifth the energy and heat '

I wasn't aware that light bulbs used heat to operate. But if this is
true, wouldn't you want to install bulbs that use more heat in the
summer, and then in the winter install bulbs that use less heat?

I wish someone would have told me that all I need to do to keep my
house cool was turn on every light in the house.

Also, because the debate about shading the condensor is simply
fascinating stuff, here is MS's take on it:

'Plant trees or shrubs to shade air conditioning units, but not block
the airflow. A unit operating in the shade uses less electricity. '

"Matt" wrote in message
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Also, because the debate about shading the condensor is simply
fascinating stuff, here is MS's take on it:

'Plant trees or shrubs to shade air conditioning units, but not block
the airflow. A unit operating in the shade uses less electricity. '

Actually, I've never quite understood why they shouldn't be sheltered from
the sun, but I only wonder about it and never do anything to find out why.
Anyone know why?

"Matt" wrote in message
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Microsoft should stick to writing crappy softwa

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...4.asp?GT1=6704

Here's my favorite energy saving tip from the article:

'Replace incandescent bulbs with compact fluorescents; they produce the
same light but use a fifth the energy and heat '

Great translation by an incompetent probably.

They do "produce" heat. In the winter, I'm less careful about turning
lights off that are not being used. The light does convert to heat energy,
so it will in turn heat the house and not be wasted. Of course this was
probably re-written by some software babe, not from the original tech
writer.

Matt wrote:
Here's my favorite energy saving tip from the article:

'Replace incandescent bulbs with compact fluorescents; they produce the
same light but use a fifth the energy and heat '

I wasn't aware that light bulbs used heat to operate. But if this is
true, wouldn't you want to install bulbs that use more heat in the
summer, and then in the winter install bulbs that use less heat?

You can't be serious are you? Heat is the by-product of the light bulb,
fluorescents give off less heat. As for giving off the same amount of
light. I don't like them at all, I bought a bunch for my house, and the
strongest one I found barely lit my laundry room.

Glenn

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Matt" wrote in message


'Replace incandescent bulbs with compact fluorescents; they produce the
same light but use a fifth the energy and heat '


Great translation by an incompetent probably.



No doubt the same one who developed I.E.

"HopsNBarley" wrote in message
...

Matt wrote:
Here's my favorite energy saving tip from the article:

'Replace incandescent bulbs with compact fluorescents; they produce the
same light but use a fifth the energy and heat '

I wasn't aware that light bulbs used heat to operate. But if this is
true, wouldn't you want to install bulbs that use more heat in the
summer, and then in the winter install bulbs that use less heat?

You can't be serious are you? Heat is the by-product of the light bulb,
fluorescents give off less heat. As for giving off the same amount of
light. I don't like them at all, I bought a bunch for my house, and the
strongest one I found barely lit my laundry room.

Glenn



They do a fabulous job of drawing even MORE bugs to my porch than an
incandescent bulb. Not scientifically tested, but it seems that way.

Hmmm....

All those little insect wings flapping may reduce the temp.....

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Matt" wrote in message
oups.com...

Also, because the debate about shading the condensor is simply
fascinating stuff, here is MS's take on it:

'Plant trees or shrubs to shade air conditioning units, but not
block
the airflow. A unit operating in the shade uses less electricity.
'

Actually, I've never quite understood why they shouldn't be
sheltered from
the sun, but I only wonder about it and never do anything to find
out why.
Anyone know why?


I'd hazard a guess and say the same reason your car sheet metal gets
hotter when parked in the sun rather than shade-radiant heat.
Compressor shell gets hotter, condenser fins exposed to radiant heat..
Translates to higher head pressures..


But without going through a lot a machinations, not easy to prove
analytically...

Andy writes:

Everything you posted above is absolutely true...
Perhaps you need a bit more explanation, so here
it is.

Incandenscent lights turn MOST of the electricity they use
into light of a frequency that we cannot see. That light,
which we call "infrared" just bounces around in a room and
heats up the place. Fluorescent converts MORE of the
electricity into light that our eyes respond to. Consequently,,
if the goal is to "see", fluorescent is the better choice. It is
also more costly to buy... so it is a tradeoff....
If you use incandescent in the winter, when you need heat, you
are "helping" your furnace. If you use fluorescent in the summer
when you need "cool", you are helping your air conditioner.....
However, you have to weight the COST of the fluorescent lights
against the SAVINGS in electricity used.

Personally, I use a LOT of incandescents inthe winter and unscrew
a LOT of the bulbs in the summer...Just my method.....

Regarding shading the airconditioner......

Direct sunlight puts about 1000 watts per square meter onto the
earth. That means that in the summer (or winter ), not only is
the outside of your air conditioner condenser heated by the
surrounding air , but it ALSO get an extra 1000 watts or so
from continuous sunlite.... 1000 watts is about 5000 BTU, so
it would take a 5000 watt air conditioner running full time just
to get rid of the heat from direct sun radiation which shines on
your outside consdenser unit.... Roughly 12 cents an hour extra,
during daytime....

So, if you plant a screen , like a bush or tree, in from of the
condenser, you get rid of this undesired direct heat source.....
........ if you block the air flow, tho, you are screwing things
up...



The preceeding explanation is exactly accurate, although it does
not include several other factors which merely confuse the issue
for the novice........ If one wishes to discuss in detail some of
these factors, and get into depth,..... let's do it by email......

Andy Registered PE in Texas , MS, BS, GMDSS, NCE, etc

Rick wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Matt" wrote in message
oups.com...

Also, because the debate about shading the condensor is simply
fascinating stuff, here is MS's take on it:

'Plant trees or shrubs to shade air conditioning units, but not
block
the airflow. A unit operating in the shade uses less electricity.
'

Actually, I've never quite understood why they shouldn't be
sheltered from
the sun, but I only wonder about it and never do anything to find
out why.
Anyone know why?

I'd hazard a guess and say the same reason your car sheet metal gets
hotter when parked in the sun rather than shade-radiant heat.
Compressor shell gets hotter, condenser fins exposed to radiant heat..
Translates to higher head pressures..

But without going through a lot a machinations, not easy to prove
analytically...

Also, under tree canopy air temps can be as much as 10-15F cooler than
open air, thus improving heat exchange efficiency....

Matt wrote:

Hmmm....

All those little insect wings flapping may reduce the temp.....

No, actually they'll raise it (slightly) by the work input...

Always will remember my first reaction to learning how reactor coolant
was heated to hot standy...reactor coolant pump impeller work was
sufficient to raise water temp to 550 F at 2200 psi w/ flow of 131E6
lb/hr...my first thought was "Wow!!"

Andy wrote:

Andy writes:

Everything you posted above is absolutely true...
....

Although very poorly worded...I think that was the intended point of the
post.

Although very poorly worded...I think that was the intended point of the
post.


No, actually it was not.

The article says that flourescent bulbs USE LESS heat then incandescent
bulbs.

Which therefore means that incandescent bulbs USE MORE heat.

Which means no one needs an AC unit, all they need to do is replace all
the bulbs in their house with 500 watt halogen floodlights, and soon
the indoor temperature will drop, because the halogens are using up all
the heat in the house.

Or at least, thats the theory Mr Gates people profess.

As far as shading the condensor, I don't know either way, but there
have been fierce battles about it over in another group whose name I
won't mention here.

I am not a A/C guy but it happened at work and this is the expalantion they
gave us:
THere is a fixed temperature difference between the outside coils and the
inside coils. As the outside coils get hotter so do the inside coils but
they always maintain the same delta temperature. To cool the inside air, the
inside coils have to be cooler than the inside air. IF the outside coils
are so hot that the inside coils are only at 70 degrees than the cooling
effect for the inside air will be minimal (less effiecient). At work they
said the rooftop coils were sitting at 150 degrees. Hence the lack of
cooling. Not sure I believe them. SO if you can keep the outside coils
cooler, the inside coils will be cooler and you will consume less
electricity.

"Rick" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Matt" wrote in message
oups.com...

Also, because the debate about shading the condensor is simply
fascinating stuff, here is MS's take on it:

'Plant trees or shrubs to shade air conditioning units, but not
block
the airflow. A unit operating in the shade uses less electricity.
'

Actually, I've never quite understood why they shouldn't be
sheltered from
the sun, but I only wonder about it and never do anything to find
out why.
Anyone know why?


I'd hazard a guess and say the same reason your car sheet metal gets
hotter when parked in the sun rather than shade-radiant heat.
Compressor shell gets hotter, condenser fins exposed to radiant heat..
Translates to higher head pressures..


But without going through a lot a machinations, not easy to prove
analytically...

"Red Cloud©" wrote in message

Many thousands of years ago, I worked at a Steakhouse. The rooftop
airconditioner was inadequate and old. During very hot weather, some
of us would take turns up on the roof, squirting the coils with a
garden hose. It made a BIG difference in the ability of the unit to
cool the restaurant.

We have a similar situation with the outdoor heat exchanger for our air
compressor at work. (150 HP). During the hot weather it was getting
marginal and causing compressor shutdown. So, some brilliant guy set up a
lawn sprinkler under it. Cooled it down quite a bit, but with too much
force, it also bent some of the fins reducing air flow. It is better now,
after somebody laid under it and straightened fins for a few hours.

So, considering all this information, which is intuitive, I wonder why HVAC
companies don't either sell (and make money on) or recommend at least a
cover mounted a few feet over the top of AC units, or least a section of
fence or something on the sunniest side.

Matt wrote:
Microsoft should stick to writing crappy softwa

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...4.asp?GT1=6704

Here's my favorite energy saving tip from the article:

'Replace incandescent bulbs with compact fluorescents; they produce the
same light but use a fifth the energy and heat '

I wasn't aware that light bulbs used heat to operate. But if this is
true, wouldn't you want to install bulbs that use more heat in the
summer, and then in the winter install bulbs that use less heat?

I wish someone would have told me that all I need to do to keep my
house cool was turn on every light in the house.

Also, because the debate about shading the condensor is simply
fascinating stuff, here is MS's take on it:

'Plant trees or shrubs to shade air conditioning units, but not block
the airflow. A unit operating in the shade uses less electricity. '


Yes, software writers are not the best. The first
sentence has two components but whoever wrote
the sentence acted as if it were one
component--energy and heat. Nonetheless, just
about every thinking person with English as a
primarily language would know what the sentence
intended.

AC people like to argue about the effect of shade,
focusing only on air temperatures. Apparently
they never stood outside in the boiling sun or
compared temperatures in houses that were fully
illuminated by the sun with house that were shaded
by trees.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Matt" wrote in message
oups.com...

Microsoft should stick to writing crappy softwa

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...4.asp?GT1=6704

Here's my favorite energy saving tip from the article:

'Replace incandescent bulbs with compact fluorescents; they produce the
same light but use a fifth the energy and heat '


Great translation by an incompetent probably.

They do "produce" heat. In the winter, I'm less careful about turning
lights off that are not being used. The light does convert to heat energy,
so it will in turn heat the house and not be wasted. Of course this was
probably re-written by some software babe, not from the original tech
writer.



If it was from a tech writer, he or she isn't very
good, but most/many electronic/software tech
writers seem to have language problems. It would
not surprise me if the sentence came directly from
an engineer.

You know there is no such thing as Light.. There is just the absence of
Dark!

Universal Theory of Dark
For years it has been believed that electric bulbs emitted light. However,
recent information has proven otherwise. Electric bulbs don't emit light,
they suck dark.
Thus we call these bulbs dark suckers. The dark sucker theory proves the
existence of dark, that dark has mass heavier than that of light, and that
dark is faster than light.

The basis of the dark sucker theory is that electric bulbs suck dark. Take
for example, the dark suckers in the room where you are. There is less dark
right next to them than there is elsewhere.

The larger the dark sucker, the greater its capacity to suck dark. Dark
suckers in a parking lot have a much greater capacity than the ones in this
room.

As with all things, dark suckers don't last forever. Once they are full of
dark, they can no longer suck. This is proven by the black spot on a full
dark sucker.

A candle is a primitive dark sucker. A new candle has a white wick. You will
notice that after the first use, the wick turns black, representing all the
dark which has been sucked into it.

If you hold a pencil next to the wick of an operating candle, the tip will
turn black because it got in the way of the dark flowing into the candle.
Unfortunately, these primitive dark suckers have a very limited range.

There are also portable dark suckers. The bulbs in these can't handle all of
the dark by themselves, and must be aided by a dark storage unit. When the
dark storage unit is full, it must be either emptied or replaced before the
portable dark sucker can operate again.

Dark has mass. When dark goes into a dark sucker, friction from this mass
generates heat. Thus it is not wise to touch an operating dark sucker.

Candles present a special problem, as the dark must travel into the solid
wick instead of through glass. This generates a great amount of heat. Thus
it can be very dangerous to touch an operating candle.

Dark is also heavier than light. If you swim just below the surface of a
lake, you will see a lot of light. If you swim deeper and deeper, you notice
it gets slowly darker and darker.

When you reach a depth of approximatley fifty feet, you are in total
darkness. This is because the heavier dark sinks to the bottom of the lake
and the lighter light floats to the top.

The immense power of dark can be utilized to man's advantage. We can collect
the dark that has settled to the bottom of lakes and push it through
turbines, which generates electricity and helps push dark to the ocean,
where it may be safely stored.

Prior to turbines, it was it was much more difficult to get dark from the
rivers and lakes to the ocean. The indians recognized this problem, and
tried to solve it.

When on a river in a canoe travelling in the same direction as the flow of
dark, they paddled slowly, so as not to stop the flow of dark; but when they
travelled against the flow of dark, they paddled quickly so as to help push
the dark along its way.

Finally, we must prove that dark is faster than light. If you were to stand
in an illuminated room in front of a closed, dark closet, then slowly open
the closet door, you would see the light slowly enter the closet; but since
the dark is so fast, you would not be able to see the dark leave the closet.

In conclusion, I would like to say that dark suckers make all our lives much
easier. So the next time you look at an electric bulb remember that it is
indeed a dark sucker.

"Matt" wrote in message
oups.com...
Microsoft should stick to writing crappy softwa

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...4.asp?GT1=6704

Here's my favorite energy saving tip from the article:

'Replace incandescent bulbs with compact fluorescents; they produce the
same light but use a fifth the energy and heat '

I wasn't aware that light bulbs used heat to operate. But if this is
true, wouldn't you want to install bulbs that use more heat in the
summer, and then in the winter install bulbs that use less heat?

I wish someone would have told me that all I need to do to keep my
house cool was turn on every light in the house.

Also, because the debate about shading the condensor is simply
fascinating stuff, here is MS's take on it:

'Plant trees or shrubs to shade air conditioning units, but not block
the airflow. A unit operating in the shade uses less electricity. '

"Matt" wrote in message
oups.com...
Microsoft should stick to writing crappy softwa


http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...4.asp?GT1=6704

Here's my favorite energy saving tip from the article:

'Replace incandescent bulbs with compact fluorescents; they produce the
same light but use a fifth the energy and heat '

I wasn't aware that light bulbs used heat to operate. But if this is
true, wouldn't you want to install bulbs that use more heat in the
summer, and then in the winter install bulbs that use less heat?

I wish someone would have told me that all I need to do to keep my
house cool was turn on every light in the house.

Also, because the debate about shading the condensor is simply
fascinating stuff, here is MS's take on it:

'Plant trees or shrubs to shade air conditioning units, but not block
the airflow. A unit operating in the shade uses less electricity. '


Back of dry white out package:

"The safety is not poisoned."

Translated in China.

Andy wrote
Personally, I use a LOT of incandescents inthe winter and unscrew
a LOT of the bulbs in the summer...Just my method.....

=========

I hope that you are kidding. Switching over to a lot of incandescents
in the winter is basically the same as deciding that you are going
to perform a portion of your home's heating with electrical resistance
heating.

Just like many others, I don't get as concerned about leaving lights
(incandescent or fluorescent) turned on in the winter as much as I
do in the summer. The heat from lights in the summer is an extra
burden placed upon the AC system. But I would never intentionally
use lights for heat, except in an emergency. If a gas furnace fails,
the house can often be kept quite comfortable by leaving on all lights,
TVs, PCs, etc. Leave the furnace fan running continuously to create
a few extra BTUs and to help circulate heat somewhat uniformly.
Operating a couple of small electric heaters may be necessary for
a reasonable comfort level. This all depends upon current outdoor
temperatures.

Filling tubs and sinks with gas heated hot water adds more BTUs.
This whole process is expensive, but it works in an emergency.

But wasting electricity on a routine basis to help heat the house
is a very expensive source of heat.

Gideon wrote:
Andy wrote
Personally, I use a LOT of incandescents inthe winter and unscrew
a LOT of the bulbs in the summer...Just my method.....

=========

I hope that you are kidding. Switching over to a lot of incandescents
in the winter is basically the same as deciding that you are going
to perform a portion of your home's heating with electrical resistance
heating.

Just like many others, I don't get as concerned about leaving lights
(incandescent or fluorescent) turned on in the winter as much as I
do in the summer. The heat from lights in the summer is an extra
burden placed upon the AC system. But I would never intentionally
use lights for heat, except in an emergency. If a gas furnace fails,
the house can often be kept quite comfortable by leaving on all lights,
TVs, PCs, etc. Leave the furnace fan running continuously to create
a few extra BTUs and to help circulate heat somewhat uniformly.
Operating a couple of small electric heaters may be necessary for
a reasonable comfort level. This all depends upon current outdoor
temperatures.

Filling tubs and sinks with gas heated hot water adds more BTUs.
This whole process is expensive, but it works in an emergency.

But wasting electricity on a routine basis to help heat the house
is a very expensive source of heat.

I wish you people would get with the program. Incandescent lights USE
heat. Bill Gates sez so.

Matt wrote:
Although very poorly worded...I think that was the intended point of the
post.


No, actually it was not.

The article says that flourescent bulbs USE LESS heat then incandescent
bulbs.

Yeah, we all know bulbs don't USE heat, but create heat. But for you
and your hatred for everything Gates and Microsoft seem to want to make
an issue of what everybody already understands.

Yes, that way I use less electricity!

But wasting electricity on a routine basis to help heat the house
is a very expensive source of heat.

I wish you people would get with the program. Incandescent lights USE
heat. Bill Gates sez so.


And it's true. They use heat to make the filament glow.