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Harry Muscle October 15th 08 06:17 PM

Engineered Hardwood and Water Spills
 
Does anyone have any info or comments about how resistant engineered
hardwood is to water spills? I know it's very resistant to chaning
shape due to moisture (ie: humidity), however, I'm talking about
spilling a cup of water and not being able to clean it up for a few
hours (as an example). Will it swell up like laminate floors do and
never return to it's original shape? Or will it behave like real
hardwood and basically do nothing? Btw, my example assumes the water
landed somewhere where it can get in between the pieces of wood and
down to the bottom section of the engineered wood.

If you have info or personal experiences I'd love to hear them.

Thanks,
Harry

HeyBub[_3_] October 15th 08 06:20 PM

Engineered Hardwood and Water Spills
 
Harry Muscle wrote:
Does anyone have any info or comments about how resistant engineered
hardwood is to water spills? I know it's very resistant to chaning
shape due to moisture (ie: humidity), however, I'm talking about
spilling a cup of water and not being able to clean it up for a few
hours (as an example). Will it swell up like laminate floors do and
never return to it's original shape? Or will it behave like real
hardwood and basically do nothing? Btw, my example assumes the water
landed somewhere where it can get in between the pieces of wood and
down to the bottom section of the engineered wood.

If you have info or personal experiences I'd love to hear them.


I took a sliver of cheap laminate and immersed it in a glass of water for a
month. Measured it with a micrometer. No change compared to the original.

You might try the same experiment with some left-over scraps...



RickH October 15th 08 07:16 PM

Engineered Hardwood and Water Spills
 
On Oct 15, 11:17*am, Harry Muscle wrote:
Does anyone have any info or comments about how resistant engineered
hardwood is to water spills? *I know it's very resistant to chaning
shape due to moisture (ie: humidity), however, I'm talking about
spilling a cup of water and not being able to clean it up for a few
hours (as an example). *Will it swell up like laminate floors do and
never return to it's original shape? *Or will it behave like real
hardwood and basically do nothing? *Btw, my example assumes the water
landed somewhere where it can get in between the pieces of wood and
down to the bottom section of the engineered wood.

If you have info or personal experiences I'd love to hear them.

Thanks,
Harry


From my experience laminates with a pressed board substrate will swell
if you dont get the liquid up within an hour or so, It absorbes down
at the seems. Laminates with a plywood substrate maybe work better,
but I have some pressed board stuff in a utility room and it swelled
when I had a water heater start trickling. When it dried it went back
to normal.




[email protected] October 15th 08 07:17 PM

Engineered Hardwood and Water Spills
 
On Oct 15, 12:17�pm, Harry Muscle wrote:
Does anyone have any info or comments about how resistant engineered
hardwood is to water spills? �I know it's very resistant to chaning
shape due to moisture (ie: humidity), however, I'm talking about
spilling a cup of water and not being able to clean it up for a few
hours (as an example). �Will it swell up like laminate floors do and
never return to it's original shape? �Or will it behave like real
hardwood and basically do nothing? �Btw, my example assumes the water
landed somewhere where it can get in between the pieces of wood and
down to the bottom section of the engineered wood.

If you have info or personal experiences I'd love to hear them.

Thanks,
Harry


I believe just one company approves its laminate for water resistance
between boards. frankly I dont like the sound of laminate we decided
to refinish our existing near 60 year old floors, probabhly next
summer.

where we live during refinishing is issue my wife has asthma and we
have dogs

N8N October 15th 08 07:26 PM

Engineered Hardwood and Water Spills
 
On Oct 15, 12:17*pm, Harry Muscle wrote:
Does anyone have any info or comments about how resistant engineered
hardwood is to water spills? *I know it's very resistant to chaning
shape due to moisture (ie: humidity), however, I'm talking about
spilling a cup of water and not being able to clean it up for a few
hours (as an example). *Will it swell up like laminate floors do and
never return to it's original shape? *Or will it behave like real
hardwood and basically do nothing? *Btw, my example assumes the water
landed somewhere where it can get in between the pieces of wood and
down to the bottom section of the engineered wood.

If you have info or personal experiences I'd love to hear them.

Thanks,
Harry


Maybe 10 years ago a friend of mine had a deal with his landlady; he
was paying little or no rent with the understanding that her list of
improvements that she wanted would be done to the place by the time he
moved out. One of those items was a new kitchen floor. They decided
on Pergo, and not long after he got the floor laid the dishwasher
started spewing on the floor. It buckled badly and had to be redone.

nate

phil scott October 15th 08 09:29 PM

Engineered Hardwood and Water Spills
 
On Oct 15, 10:26*am, N8N wrote:
On Oct 15, 12:17*pm, Harry Muscle wrote:

Does anyone have any info or comments about how resistant engineered
hardwood is to water spills? *I know it's very resistant to chaning
shape due to moisture (ie: humidity), however, I'm talking about
spilling a cup of water and not being able to clean it up for a few
hours (as an example). *Will it swell up like laminate floors do and
never return to it's original shape? *Or will it behave like real
hardwood and basically do nothing? *Btw, my example assumes the water
landed somewhere where it can get in between the pieces of wood and
down to the bottom section of the engineered wood.


If you have info or personal experiences I'd love to hear them.


Thanks,
Harry


Maybe 10 years ago a friend of mine had a deal with his landlady; he
was paying little or no rent with the understanding that her list of
improvements that she wanted would be done to the place by the time he
moved out. *One of those items was a new kitchen floor. *They decided
on Pergo, and not long after he got the floor laid the dishwasher
started spewing on the floor. *It buckled badly and had to be redone.

nate



pergo... one of the best...and it buckled when flooded... good to
know, I figured as much,
even minor spills over time should do some damage it seems. Even
solid wood flooring has limits.

Perhaps pans with drains through the floor should be fit under things
like dish washers, water heaters and kitchen sinks.. especially on an
ultra high end home.




Harry Muscle October 15th 08 10:21 PM

Engineered Hardwood and Water Spills
 
On Oct 15, 3:29*pm, phil scott wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:26*am, N8N wrote:





On Oct 15, 12:17*pm, Harry Muscle wrote:


Does anyone have any info or comments about how resistant engineered
hardwood is to water spills? *I know it's very resistant to chaning
shape due to moisture (ie: humidity), however, I'm talking about
spilling a cup of water and not being able to clean it up for a few
hours (as an example). *Will it swell up like laminate floors do and
never return to it's original shape? *Or will it behave like real
hardwood and basically do nothing? *Btw, my example assumes the water
landed somewhere where it can get in between the pieces of wood and
down to the bottom section of the engineered wood.


If you have info or personal experiences I'd love to hear them.


Thanks,
Harry


Maybe 10 years ago a friend of mine had a deal with his landlady; he
was paying little or no rent with the understanding that her list of
improvements that she wanted would be done to the place by the time he
moved out. *One of those items was a new kitchen floor. *They decided
on Pergo, and not long after he got the floor laid the dishwasher
started spewing on the floor. *It buckled badly and had to be redone.


nate


pergo... one of the best...and it buckled when flooded... good to
know, I figured as much,
even minor spills over time should do some damage it seems. * *Even
solid wood flooring has limits.

Perhaps pans with drains through the floor should be fit under things
like dish washers, water heaters and kitchen sinks.. especially on an
ultra high end home.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


So far everyone seems to be talking about laminate flooring. Is
everyone considering engineered hardwood flooring to be in the same
boat as laminate? I know laminate flooring will get totally messed up
with spilled water (due to it's HDF core), but I'm specifically
wondering about engineered hardwood flooring (plywood core with real
hardwood veneer on top). If anyone has any input about that please
let me know.

Thanks,
Harry

dpb October 15th 08 10:29 PM

Engineered Hardwood and Water Spills
 
Harry Muscle wrote:
....
So far everyone seems to be talking about laminate flooring. Is
everyone considering engineered hardwood flooring to be in the same
boat as laminate? I know laminate flooring will get totally messed up
with spilled water (due to it's HDF core), but I'm specifically
wondering about engineered hardwood flooring (plywood core with real
hardwood veneer on top). If anyone has any input about that please
let me know.

....
Depends...not all "engineered flooring" is "engineered" the same.

I don't have specific firsthand data, but I'd think it somewhere between
the two extremes for the most part. Ply, even exterior, if soaked will
expand and may have some glueline failures. It's not generally as
significant as the MDF's, etc., but I'd not consider it likely to not
have some problems if the problem occurred often.

Of course, "real" hw if it were allowed to actually soak up standing
water will expand and can buckle as well.

The fundamental answer is that none of them are intended for water other
than casual water on the top, finished surfaces.

--

Ed Pawlowski October 16th 08 03:22 AM

Engineered Hardwood and Water Spills
 

"Harry Muscle" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have any info or comments about how resistant engineered
hardwood is to water spills? I know it's very resistant to chaning
shape due to moisture (ie: humidity), however, I'm talking about
spilling a cup of water and not being able to clean it up for a few
hours (as an example). Will it swell up like laminate floors do and
never return to it's original shape? Or will it behave like real
hardwood and basically do nothing? Btw, my example assumes the water
landed somewhere where it can get in between the pieces of wood and
down to the bottom section of the engineered wood.

If you have info or personal experiences I'd love to hear them.

Thanks,
Harry


I have Mannington engineered woo on my lower level. A joint in the baseboard
leaked and water got under it, a hallway section about 24' x 36". Dried up
like nothing ever happened. I was pleasantly surprised.



Steve Daniels October 16th 08 04:28 AM

Engineered Hardwood and Water Spills
 
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:22:20 -0400, against all advice, something
compelled "Ed Pawlowski" , to say:



I have Mannington engineered woo on my lower level.



I'm sorry, I just had to see that out of context.
--

"The ABS system can not overcome the laws of physics."

Audi Owner's Manual

Ed Pawlowski October 16th 08 04:41 AM

Engineered Hardwood and Water Spills
 

"Steve Daniels" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:22:20 -0400, against all advice, something
compelled "Ed Pawlowski" , to say:



I have Mannington engineered woo on my lower level.



I'm sorry, I just had to see that out of context.
--


You should see it, battery operated. :)



Stormin Mormon October 16th 08 02:34 PM

Engineered Hardwood and Water Spills
 
I can almost hear the siren song of that Mannington, trying to woo me.
"Here, here.... you're such a handsome man. Come here and walk on me" it
says in a soft, purring voice.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

I have Mannington engineered woo on my lower level. A joint in the baseboard
leaked and water got under it, a hallway section about 24' x 36". Dried up
like nothing ever happened. I was pleasantly surprised.




Art October 19th 08 05:00 AM

Engineered Hardwood and Water Spills
 
Depends on the manufacturer. Mannington makes the seams highly water
resistant. We had it installed in my elderly parents' bathrooms 5 years ago
and I can tell you that there was all kinds of standing water for all kinds
of reasons and NO swelling whatsoever.


"RickH" wrote in message
...
On Oct 15, 11:17 am, Harry Muscle wrote:
Does anyone have any info or comments about how resistant engineered
hardwood is to water spills? I know it's very resistant to chaning
shape due to moisture (ie: humidity), however, I'm talking about
spilling a cup of water and not being able to clean it up for a few
hours (as an example). Will it swell up like laminate floors do and
never return to it's original shape? Or will it behave like real
hardwood and basically do nothing? Btw, my example assumes the water
landed somewhere where it can get in between the pieces of wood and
down to the bottom section of the engineered wood.

If you have info or personal experiences I'd love to hear them.

Thanks,
Harry


From my experience laminates with a pressed board substrate will swell
if you dont get the liquid up within an hour or so, It absorbes down
at the seems. Laminates with a plywood substrate maybe work better,
but I have some pressed board stuff in a utility room and it swelled
when I had a water heater start trickling. When it dried it went back
to normal.





Cwatters October 28th 08 10:07 PM

Engineered Hardwood and Water Spills
 

"Harry Muscle" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have any info or comments about how resistant engineered
hardwood is to water spills?


I have 21mm thick 210mm wide engineered oak floor treated with Osmo hard wax
oil in a two year old house. First time we used the shower water leaked
through the floor onto the oak in the room below. About a two pints of water
was spilt. Didn't notice for 24 hours. Nothing bad happened.

We have also mopped the floor 5 or 6 times over the past two years with no
ill effects. Obviously we don't soak it with water. We squeeze out as much
water out of the mop as we can so the mop is just damp.





Cwatters October 28th 08 10:09 PM

Engineered Hardwood and Water Spills
 

"Cwatters" wrote in message
et...

"Harry Muscle" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have any info or comments about how resistant engineered
hardwood is to water spills?


I have 21mm thick 210mm wide engineered oak floor treated with Osmo hard
wax oil in a two year old house. First time we used the shower water
leaked through the floor onto the oak in the room below. About a two pints
of water was spilt. Didn't notice for 24 hours. Nothing bad happened.

We have also mopped the floor 5 or 6 times over the past two years with no
ill effects. Obviously we don't soak it with water. We squeeze out as much
water out of the mop as we can so the mop is just damp.


Perhaps I should add that this engineered oak is 6mm oak on 15mm plywood.
The plywood is good quality with about 11-13 laminations.




Cwatters October 28th 08 10:12 PM

Engineered Hardwood and Water Spills
 

"Harry Muscle" wrote in message
...
I'm specifically wondering about engineered hardwood flooring
(plywood core with real hardwood veneer on top). If anyone
has any input about that please let me know.


That's what we have. See my replys on this thread.



[email protected] November 8th 08 10:15 PM

Engineered Hardwood and Water Spills
 
On Oct 28, 1:12*pm, "Cwatters"
wrote:
"Harry Muscle" wrote in message

...

I'm specifically wondering about engineered hardwood flooring
(plywood core with real hardwood veneer on top). *If anyone
has any input about that please let me know.


That's what we have. See my replys on this thread.


We have mannington engineered wood flooring and i give it a big F for
fail. Our daughter spilled water the night before, and we noticed the
next day. the surface veneer grain raised and is now rippled. I would
never recommend.


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