Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one?
It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types
looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture,
blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real
tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to
teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like to
exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians. Do
we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest
types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help
them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to enable
any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop
owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these people.
Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any
real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles? Let's
help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us all
being thieves and crooks!

Hey Jack, I see you splattered this crap over several boards. I guess that
makes you not only a potential thief and crook, but also, a definite dumbass.
(and as posted elsewhere, a Troll).

Don

With a attitude like that...your group will die off pretty quickly. Without
new "stupid" blood, that need knowledgeable people to help them
along......there will be no one left in the hobby.
Instead of sitting around as a group bitching about the fact the Radio Shack
no longer sells components...and that manufacturers no longer sell
schematics, or make machines that can be fixed instead of throwing out,
maybe groups like this can help keep the hobby alive.
Go ahead and make you little group of "skilled professionals"...it'll be
pretty boring....since all of you will be so skilled, no one will need to
ask any questions...or will you all be on such a high plane of existence
that you will all be communicating telepathically?.
Kim

"Jack" wrote in message
news:Oc_lb.29199$iq3.7301@okepread01...
Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one?
It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types
looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture,
blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real
tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to
teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like
to
exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians.
Do
we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest
types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help
them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to
enable
any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop
owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these
people.
Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any
real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles?
Let's
help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us
all
being thieves and crooks!

I dunno what it takes to start a newsgroup, but I've also though about this.
Strictly advanced troubleshooting. I know this NG is way too busy and there are
basically a few ways to fix it.

One way would be for the real techs to use a subject line that we all
recognize. Another might be to actually start a new NG something like:
alt.advanced.brownware.techsonly.info. Give the people about 5 levels to go
through. Of course any of us could come back here, offer up anything we have
the time for for the novice, or even the consumer. We could also weed out the
real techs and tell them about the special header or the other NG.

A few people in here do spend some time telling people to forget about fixing
it themselves, I among them. I was also thinking about a website with
information on how to get into the service menu on newer sets, but the people
around here pretty much talked me out of it. Nobody wants to fight the
circuitry and then find that their conclusions were wrong because somebody
screwed up the settings.

Now if we could protect such a site, even by just having a wierd URL and not
registering it with Google etc., no metanames, none of that, we might be safe.
When I posted that idea, someone suggested that I might even get sued, not by a
manufacturer, but by a customer that screwed his TV up ! In today's day and age
it is possible. Too bad I don't drink McDonalds coffee or I might be a
milionaire !

As a tech, you know what you changed and what it affects, ergo you know what
settings to modify, but to order a sevice manual just for that is not cost
effective unless you see alot of that unit. We troubleshoot by getting the
pinout of the ICs etc., and have at it. A saw my first Advent TV and couldn't
for the life of me get the pinout of the chopper IC, then I found out at the
time the website wasn't well protected and just anyone could DL the print.
Unfortunately they have fixed that. Why ? If the customer has a look at a print
for a modern set he is almost sure to take it into a shop for service.

As for your question, yes, I am a real tech who works for a real shop. I would
love not to have my posts six pages down in two days. How about :
alt.voltages.waveforms.readings.intemittents.help. advanced ? We would just have
to tell each other about it.

JURB

You know, electronics is a profession for few and a hobby for many...
sometimes we do have to ask what others see as a stupid question.
Life is a quest for knowledge, it would appear that Jack here is too
selfish to share the TINY amount of knowledge that he may possess...
Get a freaking life... If you don't have the time to deal with
non-professional questions, don't answer them... Quit the ****ing and
Moaning!

J

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:53:51 -0400, "Neil"
wrote:

With a attitude like that...your group will die off pretty quickly. Without
new "stupid" blood, that need knowledgeable people to help them
along......there will be no one left in the hobby.
Instead of sitting around as a group bitching about the fact the Radio Shack
no longer sells components...and that manufacturers no longer sell
schematics, or make machines that can be fixed instead of throwing out,
maybe groups like this can help keep the hobby alive.
Go ahead and make you little group of "skilled professionals"...it'll be
pretty boring....since all of you will be so skilled, no one will need to
ask any questions...or will you all be on such a high plane of existence
that you will all be communicating telepathically?.
Kim

"Jack" wrote in message
news:Oc_lb.29199$iq3.7301@okepread01...
Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one?
It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types
looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture,
blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real
tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to
teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like
to
exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians.
Do
we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest
types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help
them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to
enable
any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop
owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these
people.
Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any
real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles?
Let's
help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us
all
being thieves and crooks!

"Jack" wrote in message
news:Oc_lb.29199$iq3.7301@okepread01...
Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one?
It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types
looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture,
blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real
tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to
teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like
to
exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians.
Do
we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest
types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help
them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to
enable
any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop
owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these
people.
Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any
real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles?
Let's
help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us
all
being thieves and crooks!



There's lots of "real" techs on here, your attitude doesn't exactly inspire
confidence from the hobbiests though.

I don't know of anybody that was born with this kind of technical knowledge
or experience. The only way to get to the level you're talking of is to ask
stupid questions and make stupid mistakes. Any tech who says that they were
never like this is a liar.
I don't mind answering questions regardless of how stupid. I do get fed up
with the attitude of those that believe that all that is needed is a
soldering iron. These are usually the ones that complain the most because
they don't believe that troubleshooting is a skill and that an understanding
of electronics is a necessity. There are quite a few people like that on
this group and I won't help them. I figure that letting them screw it up
more will require them to bring it in for service where the real tech will
ultimately ask what creature has been brandishing a blowtorch against the
boards or who has been demonstrating their knowledge of the deadly short
circuit technique. It's quite an awakening for them when they find that
their technical skills has tripled the cost of the repair. But there are
those that never learn.....
This forum is fine. I have little problems with it. And I enjoy helping
those who respect the trade and are interested, even as a hobbiest.


"Jack" wrote in message
news:Oc_lb.29199$iq3.7301@okepread01...
Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one?
It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types
looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture,
blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real
tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to
teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like
to
exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians.
Do
we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest
types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help
them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to
enable
any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop
owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these
people.
Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any
real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles?
Let's
help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us
all
being thieves and crooks!

You might try the Techassist or Anatek listserves if you want to avoid the
consumer questions. You will still find a lot of dumb posts, but none from
consumers and hobbiests. There are hundreds of techs that work together to
solve problems and share information daily. With your attitude you will be
a prime candidate for my delete file, however.

By the way, the rep that our profession has for crooks and thieves is well
deserved. There are relatively few techs that I know who would make the cut
in my shop in terms of ethics or ability, and few shops that I would
recommend. You make this better by being open and honest with consumers and
giving them good advice, not avoiding them. One of the things that makes a
good tech IMO is the ability to relate positively with even the most stupid,
arrogant, or demanding consumers and make them into loyal customers by
giving them a good value in service.

Leonard Caillouet

"Jack" wrote in message
news:Oc_lb.29199$iq3.7301@okepread01...
Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one?
It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types
looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture,
blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real
tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to
teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like
to
exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians.
Do
we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest
types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help
them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to
enable
any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop
owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these
people.
Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any
real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles?
Let's
help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us
all
being thieves and crooks!

In article Oc_lb.29199$iq3.7301@okepread01,
says...
Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one?

Your apparent definition of "real techs" is myopic and
inane.
--
Mark

The truth as I perceive it to be.
Your perception may be different.

Triple Z is spam control.

ya know, one day I hope I meet you looking for directions in a foregin
country, I'll just tell you to ask a travel agent, make sure you take your
AMEX card with you
Blah!!
"Jack" wrote in message
news:Oc_lb.29199$iq3.7301@okepread01...
Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one?
It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types
looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture,
blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real
tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to
teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like
to
exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians.
Do
we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest
types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help
them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to
enable
any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop
owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these
people.
Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any
real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles?
Let's
help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us
all
being thieves and crooks!

Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of
them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now
there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv
teknishun .

(Ken G.) writes:

Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of
them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now
there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv
teknishun .

Wrong type nail.

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On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:16:19 -0500, "Jack" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one?
It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types
looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture,
blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real
tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to
teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like to
exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians. Do
we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest
types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help
them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to enable
any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop
owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these people.
Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any
real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles? Let's
help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us all
being thieves and crooks!

I don't think there is any need for a new group or forum. There are
enough professional technicians participating in this group to make it
worthwhile as it is. However, I do sympathize with you to some extent,
especially when one sees posts from people who are obviously out of
their depth. I think the best approach for these newcomers is to
direct them to the Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ, with appropriate
disclaimers, warnings, etc, etc. In my own case I've posted basic
(possibly ignorant?) questions to other newsgroups and have generally
been treated kindly by the knowledgeable regulars.


- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.

"Ken G." wrote in message
...
Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of
them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now
there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv
teknishun .

Ken Haven't you learned any thing yet? You use a COATED nail. They have
higher resistance and act as a variac so you can trouble shoot with out
smoke. Warren

Sounds like you got a bad batch of fuses. They're all shorted. Go to the
fuse mfgr and tell them that their crappy shorted fuses destroyed your tv
and that you want them to replace the tv because the fuses shorted it out.
It must be the fuse because the nail doesn't blow out.

"Ken G." wrote in message
...
Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of
them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now
there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv
teknishun .

I agree with chris i had some bad fuses that would only alow current
to flow through them if i wrapped foil around them so I think you have
something to go on. I never tried a nail sounds like a good idea
though......


On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:08:08 GMT, "Chris"
wrote:

Sounds like you got a bad batch of fuses. They're all shorted. Go to the
fuse mfgr and tell them that their crappy shorted fuses destroyed your tv
and that you want them to replace the tv because the fuses shorted it out.
It must be the fuse because the nail doesn't blow out.

"Ken G." wrote in message
...
Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of
them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now
there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv
teknishun .

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"Jack" wrote in message
news:Oc_lb.29199$iq3.7301@okepread01...
Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one?
It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types
looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture,
blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real
tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to
teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like
to
exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians.
Do
we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest
types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help
them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to
enable
any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop
owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these
people.
Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any
real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles?
Let's
help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us
all
being thieves and crooks!

"real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the
eagles?
Let's help each other so we can help others ...."

That sounds like a really good idea - Anybody upto creating a new
group, or may be even a paid-subscription only group ? Filled with
service resources, electronics service manuals, tech tips, etc. ???

'nControl!® Service Management Software
http://www.servicersolutions.com

"'nControl!? Service Software - www.ServicerSolutions.com"
wrote in message
om...
"real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the
eagles?
Let's help each other so we can help others ...."

That sounds like a really good idea - Anybody upto creating a new
group, or may be even a paid-subscription only group ? Filled with
service resources, electronics service manuals, tech tips, etc. ???

'nControl!® Service Management Software
http://www.servicersolutions.com

Well there's some groups on yahoogroups, I haven't checked them out yet, but
it'd be easy enough to boot out anyone who shouldn't be there.

There are already quite a few out there.

Try Techassist or Anatek for a couple of listserves that are more useful.

Leonard Caillouet

"'nControl!? Service Software - www.ServicerSolutions.com"
wrote in message
om...
"real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the
eagles?
Let's help each other so we can help others ...."

That sounds like a really good idea - Anybody upto creating a new
group, or may be even a paid-subscription only group ? Filled with
service resources, electronics service manuals, tech tips, etc. ???

'nControl!® Service Management Software
http://www.servicersolutions.com

Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of
them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now
there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv
teknishun .

There's no problem....just tune it for maximum smoke. :-)

On 16-Nov-2003, wrote:

Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of
them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now
there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv
teknishun .

There's no problem....just tune it for maximum smoke. :-)

The problem is that you have no let all of the magic smoke out of the tv.
it needs to have the smoke replaced to be able to work again.

Yupper, but now days those majic smoke installers are mighty expensive
mate!! Eh!!
"Daniel L. Belton" wrote in message
...

On 16-Nov-2003, wrote:

Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of
them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now
there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv
teknishun .

There's no problem....just tune it for maximum smoke. :-)

The problem is that you have no let all of the magic smoke out of the tv.
it needs to have the smoke replaced to be able to work again.

In article ,
(Ken G.) writes:
Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of
them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now
there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv
teknishun .

mee two

furst r you shure that the power coord has volts flowing in it? u
need 2 find out. cut it off near the back of teevee set (u did unplug
it first didnt u? [...if not u probly wont need 2 read the rest of
this] remoov the insulation from the wirz neer where u made the cut
and make shure that the bare wirez r about 1 quarter inch a part. now
then 2 make shure that the coord is a live u need to furst identifeye
the most sensitive part of your bodie. tutch the bare wires to that
spot then plug the power coord into the sockit. if u feel a sensasun
from the wirez u need 2 replace the pitcher tube it probably needs a
new one anyway and your stoopid customer who doesnt no a wire from a
transister will probly pay for it anyway without question. if that
dozent work try replacing some of the modulez and if the set has no
modulez try replacing other tubes or the eaziest to replace
tranzisters first. before dewing all that thow u mite want two trie a
better fuze. try sticking your finger in the fuze holder and see if
that workz. if all else failz replace the nail and poor water on the
set if it still dozent werk or if it starts smoking yore customer
needz 2 have u reconshun it..

-jack [the real pro tech who is proud to not know how to praktice
electronics as a hobbie like the loozers]

dork