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Pioneer 60" Projection Tv
Hi I had this Pioneer 60" projection tv for year, without any problem,
two month ago the flyback died so i call a tv repair tech service to replace it, It seems t6hat the guy never did service to a projection tv because he tried to remove the mirror case and obiously broke the mirror. I got the new Flyback but the problem is I live in Paraguay, SouthAmerica, we do not have certified Pioneer service or parts so i have to buy the Mirror from USA. It will cost me 400$ to bring it here. So i Buy the best quality mirror i could find and cut in the same size and shape than the original one. The Problem is that now the image its all wrong in the center its ok but in the side it haves this trapezoid shpe and the colors are totally unfocus, I friend of my told me that this is configurable from the service menu but i have no ideas about the values i have to put into it. If somebody has an idea what can i do, or how to program these i would really appreciate it. The Tv is Pioneer SD-p6091 Thanks! VJS |
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Pioneer 60" Projection Tv
Suggest that you contact Pioneer directly and purchase a service manual from
them, this will assist you in servicing the product. Also the mirror you bought locally may have different physical characteristics than does the original from Pioneer. Many of the RPJ mirrors are front surface devices. Most locally available mirrors are rear surface and will produce defects in video reproduction when used in RPJ applications. When contacting Pioneer ask them if their mirror must be a front surface device. "Victor J. Servin" wrote in message om... Hi I had this Pioneer 60" projection tv for year, without any problem, two month ago the flyback died so i call a tv repair tech service to replace it, It seems t6hat the guy never did service to a projection tv because he tried to remove the mirror case and obiously broke the mirror. I got the new Flyback but the problem is I live in Paraguay, SouthAmerica, we do not have certified Pioneer service or parts so i have to buy the Mirror from USA. It will cost me 400$ to bring it here. So i Buy the best quality mirror i could find and cut in the same size and shape than the original one. The Problem is that now the image its all wrong in the center its ok but in the side it haves this trapezoid shpe and the colors are totally unfocus, I friend of my told me that this is configurable from the service menu but i have no ideas about the values i have to put into it. If somebody has an idea what can i do, or how to program these i would really appreciate it. The Tv is Pioneer SD-p6091 Thanks! VJS |
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Pioneer 60" Projection Tv
"Arthur Jernberg" wrote in message ... Suggest that you contact Pioneer directly and purchase a service manual from them, this will assist you in servicing the product. Also the mirror you bought locally may have different physical characteristics than does the original from Pioneer. Many of the RPJ mirrors are front surface devices. Most locally available mirrors are rear surface and will produce defects in video reproduction when used in RPJ applications. When contacting Pioneer ask them if their mirror must be a front surface device. Perhaps you could find a scrapped projection TV and take the mirror from it. |
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Pioneer 60" Projection Tv
Dude, just go find a guy that cuts glass and bring him a bigger mirror than you
need. We busted a Sony mirror at the shop once. Geez, we don't even care about the money, what happened is that three mirrors arrive in a row all broken. **** we already HAD a broken one ! Many RPTVs no longer use front surface mirrors, the performance difference is just not worth it. If it uses two mirrors the situation is different, but I'm pretty sure that one only uses one mirror. You'll never notice the difference. JURB |
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Pioneer 60" Projection Tv
"JURB6006" wrote in message ... Dude, just go find a guy that cuts glass and bring him a bigger mirror than you need. We busted a Sony mirror at the shop once. Geez, we don't even care about the money, what happened is that three mirrors arrive in a row all broken. **** we already HAD a broken one ! Many RPTVs no longer use front surface mirrors, the performance difference is just not worth it. If it uses two mirrors the situation is different, but I'm pretty sure that one only uses one mirror. You'll never notice the difference. The customer may never notice the difference and a tech who isn't interested will not notice the difference. It is a subtle enough effect that unless you have both mirrors there to swap and compare, the picture with the normal mirror may look acceptable. However, for the critical viewer, the performance difference between surface coated and standard mirrors is certainly worth it. I have made direct comparisons several times and there is a very clear difference in the picture. It is the cost that is the matter for the manufacturers and performance is a much lower priority. In a head to head comparison most consumers will choose the brightest picture with moderate detail rather than the more high resolution picture. Since the mirror difference affects detail much more than brightness, it is more sales effective to cut costs and crank up the torches. Leonard Caillouet |
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Pioneer 60" Projection Tv
The mylar mirrors eventually get a hazy look that is nearly impossible to
clear. They are easily damaged by attempts to clean them. Surface coated mirrors can easily be cleaned successfully without damage. I have not directly compared the clarity of the two at the screen level, but just looking at the mylar mirrors my impression is that they are not as good. Leonard Caillouet "John Del" wrote in message ... Subject: Pioneer 60" Projection Tv From: "Leonard Caillouet" I have made direct comparisons several times and there is a very clear difference in the picture. What is your opinion of glass (either type) compared to the stretched mylar type? Is the difference worth converting? John Del Wolcott, CT "Nothing is so opportune for tyrants as a people tired of its liberty." Alan Keyes (remove S for email reply) |
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Pioneer 60" Projection Tv
There is one strange problem, the mirror a send to cut it exactly the
same size of the original, but the image is smaller and a little distorted, to be precise its has perfect convergence in the center, but in the side its awful, its look like a sand clock the base and the top are larger that the middle part of the screen, i manage to learn the way the Tv is Configurated in service mode, but i can correct that effect, i have another 50" tv from pioneer, i will remove the mirror from that one so i can see if there is any difference there. its strange cause my 50" also had a broken mirror and i do exactly the same, but that waqs 6 years ago and i can remember what kind of mirror was. Thanks. VJS P.S: I maybe can get one Sony mirror cause the factory is in Brazil, a lot closer for me the buy in it from the states!!!, so u think it will work? "Leonard Caillouet" wrote in message news:VjPTa.19219$zd4.15247@lakeread02... The mylar mirrors eventually get a hazy look that is nearly impossible to clear. They are easily damaged by attempts to clean them. Surface coated mirrors can easily be cleaned successfully without damage. I have not directly compared the clarity of the two at the screen level, but just looking at the mylar mirrors my impression is that they are not as good. Leonard Caillouet "John Del" wrote in message ... Subject: Pioneer 60" Projection Tv From: "Leonard Caillouet" I have made direct comparisons several times and there is a very clear difference in the picture. What is your opinion of glass (either type) compared to the stretched mylar type? Is the difference worth converting? John Del Wolcott, CT "Nothing is so opportune for tyrants as a people tired of its liberty." Alan Keyes (remove S for email reply) |
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