[J. T. Laurie]

All right. I will preface this by giving a little background, as I was
called on the carpet for not doing before.
I would like to make a device called an onomatograph. What you do is
disassemble an old television and remove the horizontal deflection coil. Put
it in the other one, (you have two television sets, one with both coils and
one that you nip the coils out of) and connect them. then you connect it to
a sound output device like a stereo and it produces the effects similar to
windows media player's visualisations.
however, if I am to make this, there are a few questions still remaining
1. can I do something with the remote to be able to select which pattern,
like stars or spirals I can get?
2. is there a way to put wireless headphones between the output of the
stereo and the input of the scope?
3. can it be done in colour and if so how?
Thank you guys for any help you can provide. if you are curious about it
just google onomatograph.
Thanks

--
J. T. Laurie
Watcher of the Seals,
Flame of Tar Valon,
The Amyrlin Seat
Forgive them gracious Goddess, for they care not what they do.

[[email protected]]

On Jun 21, 12:21 pm, "J. T. Laurie" wrote:
All right. I will preface this by giving a little background, as I was
called on the carpet for not doing before.
I would like to make a device called an onomatograph. What you do is
disassemble an old television and remove the horizontal deflection coil. Put
it in the other one, (you have two television sets, one with both coils and
one that you nip the coils out of) and connect them. then you connect it to
a sound output device like a stereo and it produces the effects similar to
windows media player's visualisations.
however, if I am to make this, there are a few questions still remaining
1. can I do something with the remote to be able to select which pattern,
like stars or spirals I can get?
2. is there a way to put wireless headphones between the output of the
stereo and the input of the scope?
3. can it be done in colour and if so how?
Thank you guys for any help you can provide. if you are curious about it
just google onomatograph.

Dayumm...

Seems like a lot of trouble to enhance the effects of your
recreational-pharmaceutical-of-choice. Dangerous to boot.

Voltages of up to (and possibly in excess) of 1500 volts occur inside
televisions. Many are "hot-chassis" devices. If you happen to insert
yourself into such a circuit either by accident or stupidity, it could
_really_ ruin your day. It could also ruin your supporting equipment,
cause excessive lost of magic smoke, threaten real-estate and lots-O-
other disasterous stuff.

And, you are watching a BOX for crissakes.

All that being written:

a) You can as well do it with color, but the deflection coils are
typically ahead of the focusing coils and one for each color beam, so
you may have a placement issue as you are essentially creating an
interference pattern with the added coil(s). You may also have to deal
with three additional deflection coils vs. only one, requiring
possibly three input channels.
b) You will have NO control over the patterns. That is fixed by the
random magnetic field generated in the additional coil, generated by
the music, generated by the otherwise position of the beam from the
existing deflection-coil. Too many variables.
c) You are using speaker-output level input I gather. Be absolutely
careful NOT to short the speaker outputs to each other (Right and Left
shorted together). *POOF* is the typical result in the output
devices.
d) There is no reason why you cannot insert a wireless headphone
driver in the system, other than I do not know what sort of loading
these coils will put on the output of whatever device is connected.
You may get considerable (change that to "will") imbalance.

Good luck with it. Please keep any and all children, small animals,
impaired adults and random wanderers away from this thing any time it
is plugged into the mains whether on or off.

Censtron & wobblevision have websites dedicated to this... well, words
fail.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[J. T. Laurie]

Thanks for not yelling at me, so to speak. I was told by my less-than-smart
grandma "new tv's don't have coils, they have chips"
All right. I understand about the magnetic field, now.I think I might have
someone sighted do it for me. My pharmaceuticals of choice? hmmm...
why keep it separate from kids and pets when its plugged in? Is there a
chance of shock? I know that seems like a stupid question, but if its
insulated, I don't see the trouble.
Thanks for your help..
wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jun 21, 12:21 pm, "J. T. Laurie" wrote:
All right. I will preface this by giving a little background, as I was
called on the carpet for not doing before.
I would like to make a device called an onomatograph. What you do is
disassemble an old television and remove the horizontal deflection coil.
Put
it in the other one, (you have two television sets, one with both coils
and
one that you nip the coils out of) and connect them. then you connect it
to
a sound output device like a stereo and it produces the effects similar
to
windows media player's visualisations.
however, if I am to make this, there are a few questions still remaining
1. can I do something with the remote to be able to select which pattern,
like stars or spirals I can get?
2. is there a way to put wireless headphones between the output of the
stereo and the input of the scope?
3. can it be done in colour and if so how?
Thank you guys for any help you can provide. if you are curious about it
just google onomatograph.

Dayumm...

Seems like a lot of trouble to enhance the effects of your
recreational-pharmaceutical-of-choice. Dangerous to boot.

Voltages of up to (and possibly in excess) of 1500 volts occur inside
televisions. Many are "hot-chassis" devices. If you happen to insert
yourself into such a circuit either by accident or stupidity, it could
_really_ ruin your day. It could also ruin your supporting equipment,
cause excessive lost of magic smoke, threaten real-estate and lots-O-
other disasterous stuff.

And, you are watching a BOX for crissakes.

All that being written:

a) You can as well do it with color, but the deflection coils are
typically ahead of the focusing coils and one for each color beam, so
you may have a placement issue as you are essentially creating an
interference pattern with the added coil(s). You may also have to deal
with three additional deflection coils vs. only one, requiring
possibly three input channels.
b) You will have NO control over the patterns. That is fixed by the
random magnetic field generated in the additional coil, generated by
the music, generated by the otherwise position of the beam from the
existing deflection-coil. Too many variables.
c) You are using speaker-output level input I gather. Be absolutely
careful NOT to short the speaker outputs to each other (Right and Left
shorted together). *POOF* is the typical result in the output
devices.
d) There is no reason why you cannot insert a wireless headphone
driver in the system, other than I do not know what sort of loading
these coils will put on the output of whatever device is connected.
You may get considerable (change that to "will") imbalance.

Good luck with it. Please keep any and all children, small animals,
impaired adults and random wanderers away from this thing any time it
is plugged into the mains whether on or off.

Censtron & wobblevision have websites dedicated to this... well, words
fail.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Michael Black]

"J. T. Laurie" ) writes:
All right. I will preface this by giving a little background, as I was
called on the carpet for not doing before.

Then you don't move to another newsgroup to do so. And you don't pick
a newsgroup that's about the repair of electronic equipment.

And you don't use a subject header that says nothing about the topic.

Michael

[Don Bowey]

On 6/21/07 9:21 AM, in article , "J.
T. Laurie" wrote:

All right. I will preface this by giving a little background, as I was
called on the carpet for not doing before.
I would like to make a device called an onomatograph. What you do is
disassemble an old television and remove the horizontal deflection coil. Put
it in the other one, (you have two television sets, one with both coils and
one that you nip the coils out of) and connect them. then you connect it to
a sound output device like a stereo and it produces the effects similar to
windows media player's visualisations.
however, if I am to make this, there are a few questions still remaining
1. can I do something with the remote to be able to select which pattern,
like stars or spirals I can get?
2. is there a way to put wireless headphones between the output of the
stereo and the input of the scope?
3. can it be done in colour and if so how?
Thank you guys for any help you can provide. if you are curious about it
just google onomatograph.
Thanks

Many of your questions were answered on the basics board.

Your response there was petulant, and I see you learned nothing.

[[email protected]]

On Jun 21, 2:07 pm, "J. T. Laurie" wrote:
Thanks for not yelling at me, so to speak. I was told by my less-than-smart
grandma "new tv's don't have coils, they have chips"
All right. I understand about the magnetic field, now.I think I might have
someone sighted do it for me. My pharmaceuticals of choice? hmmm...
why keep it separate from kids and pets when its plugged in? Is there a
chance of shock? I know that seems like a stupid question, but if its
insulated, I don't see the trouble.

With respect, anytime one modifies a piece of equipment away from
factory/design specifications and standards, there is a danger of
something going wrong. With a "hot-chassis" device, the consequences
are not so good. With a hot-chassis device with as much as 1500V on
it, the consequences are potentially spectacular. Unless such
modifications are done by someone expert in the field and
knowledgeable of the consequences... and able to account for it all,
the results will be marginal at best.

I would not want you or yours or a random passer-by to be part of a
'spectacle'.

Now, if your real goal is to have random patterns generated on your
television driven by a music source, you might go there directly.
There are several makers of AF-to-RF generators designed exactly for
what you intend and that would give you color, pattern style control
so-forth to any screen you wish that accepts an RF modulator. There
are also computer programs for the purpose. Others here might point
you there, but I am sure a focused google-search will turn up
something.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[J. T. Laurie]

ah, thank you. I understand.
wrote in message
oups.com...
On Jun 21, 2:07 pm, "J. T. Laurie" wrote:
Thanks for not yelling at me, so to speak. I was told by my
less-than-smart
grandma "new tv's don't have coils, they have chips"
All right. I understand about the magnetic field, now.I think I might
have
someone sighted do it for me. My pharmaceuticals of choice? hmmm...
why keep it separate from kids and pets when its plugged in? Is there a
chance of shock? I know that seems like a stupid question, but if its
insulated, I don't see the trouble.

With respect, anytime one modifies a piece of equipment away from
factory/design specifications and standards, there is a danger of
something going wrong. With a "hot-chassis" device, the consequences
are not so good. With a hot-chassis device with as much as 1500V on
it, the consequences are potentially spectacular. Unless such
modifications are done by someone expert in the field and
knowledgeable of the consequences... and able to account for it all,
the results will be marginal at best.

I would not want you or yours or a random passer-by to be part of a
'spectacle'.

Now, if your real goal is to have random patterns generated on your
television driven by a music source, you might go there directly.
There are several makers of AF-to-RF generators designed exactly for
what you intend and that would give you color, pattern style control
so-forth to any screen you wish that accepts an RF modulator. There
are also computer programs for the purpose. Others here might point
you there, but I am sure a focused google-search will turn up
something.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Jamie]

J. T. Laurie wrote:

Thanks for not yelling at me, so to speak. I was told by my less-than-smart
grandma "new tv's don't have coils, they have chips"

You should listen to your grandmother! She knows a lot!

--
"I'm never wrong, once i thought i was, but was mistaken"
Real Programmers Do things like this.
http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5

[JW]

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:21:00 -0500 "J. T. Laurie"
wrote in Message id:
:

All right. I will preface this by giving a little background, as I was
called on the carpet for not doing before.
I would like to make a device called an onomatograph. What you do is
disassemble an old television and remove the horizontal deflection coil.

No need to do that. I've done this with a TV set by disconnecting the yoke
from the chassis, and hooking one channel of a stereo to the horizontal
yoke and the other channel to the vertical. Remove any passive components
on the yoke. Whether or not this could be bad for your amplifier is
another story, but it didn't seem to harm my old Kenwood amp...

[J. T. Laurie]

ah. any tips for doing it with your eyes closed? I'm blind.
"JW" wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:21:00 -0500 "J. T. Laurie"
wrote in Message id:
:

All right. I will preface this by giving a little background, as I was
called on the carpet for not doing before.
I would like to make a device called an onomatograph. What you do is
disassemble an old television and remove the horizontal deflection coil.

No need to do that. I've done this with a TV set by disconnecting the yoke
from the chassis, and hooking one channel of a stereo to the horizontal
yoke and the other channel to the vertical. Remove any passive components
on the yoke. Whether or not this could be bad for your amplifier is
another story, but it didn't seem to harm my old Kenwood amp...

[JW]

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:19:31 -0500 "J. T. Laurie"
wrote in Message id:
:

[top posting corrected]

"JW" wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:21:00 -0500 "J. T. Laurie"
wrote in Message id:
:

All right. I will preface this by giving a little background, as I was
called on the carpet for not doing before.
I would like to make a device called an onomatograph. What you do is
disassemble an old television and remove the horizontal deflection coil.

No need to do that. I've done this with a TV set by disconnecting the yoke
from the chassis, and hooking one channel of a stereo to the horizontal
yoke and the other channel to the vertical. Remove any passive components
on the yoke. Whether or not this could be bad for your amplifier is
another story, but it didn't seem to harm my old Kenwood amp...

ah. any tips for doing it with your eyes closed? I'm blind.

Uh huh...

[J. T. Laurie]

is that an uh-huh of acknowledgement or of disbelief.
"JW" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:19:31 -0500 "J. T. Laurie"
wrote in Message id:
:

[top posting corrected]

"JW" wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:21:00 -0500 "J. T. Laurie"
wrote in Message id:
:

All right. I will preface this by giving a little background, as I was
called on the carpet for not doing before.
I would like to make a device called an onomatograph. What you do is
disassemble an old television and remove the horizontal deflection coil.

No need to do that. I've done this with a TV set by disconnecting the
yoke
from the chassis, and hooking one channel of a stereo to the horizontal
yoke and the other channel to the vertical. Remove any passive
components
on the yoke. Whether or not this could be bad for your amplifier is
another story, but it didn't seem to harm my old Kenwood amp...

ah. any tips for doing it with your eyes closed? I'm blind.

Uh huh...

[JW]

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:13:20 -0500 "J. T. Laurie"
wrote in Message id:
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"JW" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:19:31 -0500 "J. T. Laurie"
wrote in Message id:
:

[top posting corrected]

"JW" wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:21:00 -0500 "J. T. Laurie"
wrote in Message id:
:

All right. I will preface this by giving a little background, as I was
called on the carpet for not doing before.
I would like to make a device called an onomatograph. What you do is
disassemble an old television and remove the horizontal deflection coil.

No need to do that. I've done this with a TV set by disconnecting the
yoke
from the chassis, and hooking one channel of a stereo to the horizontal
yoke and the other channel to the vertical. Remove any passive
components
on the yoke. Whether or not this could be bad for your amplifier is
another story, but it didn't seem to harm my old Kenwood amp...

ah. any tips for doing it with your eyes closed? I'm blind.

Uh huh...

is that an uh-huh of acknowledgement or of disbelief.

Could be either, I suppose. If you're not pulling my leg, then I don't
think I can help you. Sorry.